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Old 11-29-2004, 07:55 AM
ftball0000 ftball0000 is offline
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Default Should I stay or should I go?

Hello 2+2 land,

Here's a hand that puzzled me. I called w/ my Axs and then it was checked around to me on the flop so I bet. Then on the turn a 6 comes up and I get bet into. This guy had played 4 hands so at the time I had no idea about him. I called down mostly b/c I had top pair, but I was pretty sure it wasn't going good for me. Anyways holla at your boy with comments (I needed a little flavor there)

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, MP3 folds, CO folds, Hero calls, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (5 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(5 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, MP2 checks, <font color="CC3333">Hero bets</font>, SB calls, BB folds, UTG folds, MP2 calls.

Turn: (4 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="CC3333">MP2 bets</font>, Hero calls, SB folds.

River: (6 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(2 players)</font>
<font color="CC3333">MP2 bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 8 BB

Thanks,
-Ftball
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Old 11-29-2004, 08:15 AM
sthief09 sthief09 is offline
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Default Re: Should I stay or should I go?

you played it fine. you can't make that laydown without a read
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Old 11-29-2004, 10:32 AM
ecooke ecooke is offline
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Default Re: Should I stay or should I go?

What about a Turn raise? Are you so convinced that the A with the nut flush draw isn't worth another bet?
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Old 11-29-2004, 10:48 AM
JimRivett JimRivett is offline
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Default Re: Should I stay or should I go?

On the turn your hand got better, why not raise?

Jim
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Old 11-29-2004, 12:24 PM
akh911007 akh911007 is offline
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Default Re: Should I stay or should I go?

If hero raises the turn and is called and a river blank comes, should he value bet the river?
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Old 11-29-2004, 12:29 PM
toby toby is offline
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Default Re: Should I stay or should I go?

I would check behind on the river after a turn raise. He only beats A2 here. Seems to me like MP had A6 and paired his kicker.
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Old 11-29-2004, 12:36 PM
Fat Nicky Fat Nicky is offline
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Default Re: Should I stay or should I go?

The way the turn bettor played the hand, it's unlikely he'd fold to a turn raise. This is the main reason I like calling here instead of raising. If you make your hand, you hope he bets into you again on the river so you can raise and earn an extra BB.
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Old 11-29-2004, 12:36 PM
Fat Nicky Fat Nicky is offline
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I play the hand the same way.
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Old 11-29-2004, 04:41 PM
ftball0000 ftball0000 is offline
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Thanks to all that replied, villian had A6o so I am big loser. To those that suggested I raise the turn, I didn't for a couple of reasons:

1) The sudden bet of villian seemed to indicate a pretty good hand

2) A raise on the turn might get a check/call check/fold on the river if the 3rd spade comes. Whereas if I call on the turn and raise the river, the villian should not expect runner runner for me.

Thanks for the replies,
-Ftball
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Old 11-29-2004, 04:51 PM
tolbiny tolbiny is offline
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Default Re: Should I stay or should I go?

"What about a Turn raise? Are you so convinced that the A with the nut flush draw isn't worth another bet?"

No- A turn raise should be considered only if it has semi-bluff value, with the way the action went i would never expect a better hand to fold for this bet. Wait till the river, raise if you hit call if you don't.

Side note: raise or just call if a 3 comes on the river and he bets again?
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