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Old 11-05-2005, 02:43 AM
Aaron W. Aaron W. is offline
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Default Stud8 - Day 1, 60 hands - don\'t worry, I\'m not posting all of them

After a false start at Party Poker, I think I've finally settled into a Stud8 home. I've picked the $0.25/$0.50 game at PokerStars. Given that poker is just a recreation for me, you don't need to worry about me spamming the forum with daily updates of my donkiness. I probably will get in a 50-75 hand one-table session every 7-10 days.

I want to chroincle things that I think I've learned and have them reviewed by people who actually know what's going on. I hope this format will be acceptable here and that it helps me get my game up to par a bit faster than it might otherwise. I would like some confirmation that my assessment of things are correct, but I welcome comments on anything.

Rather than lump this into one long post, I'm going to post replies to the main thread with different things from the session. If you have ideas for a better presentation, I'll take your suggestions.

Stats: 60 hands, 15 (25%) see 4th, 5/8 pots at showdown (all chops), 1 pot won uncontested, net -$6.25
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Old 11-05-2005, 02:45 AM
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Default Things I think I did right

<u>1) Ante steal</u>

7 Card Stud High-Low ($0.25/$0.50), Ante $0.05, Bring-In $0.10 (converter)

3rd Street - (1.40 SB)

Hero: K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___raises
Seat 2: xx xx 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 3: xx xx 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___brings-in___folds
Seat 4: xx xx 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 5: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 6: xx xx T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 8: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___folds

<u>2) Folded a pair + 3 low hand that was destined for trouble</u>

7 Card Stud High-Low ($0.25/$0.50), Ante $0.05, Bring-In $0.10 (converter)

3rd Street - (1.40 SB)

Hero: 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 2: xx xx J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 3: xx xx 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 4: xx xx A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 6: xx xx 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___brings-in
Seat 7: xx xx 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 8: xx xx Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___folds

4th Street - (3.80 SB)

Hero: 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___checks___folds
Seat 2: xx xx J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___checks___calls
Seat 3: xx xx 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___bets
Seat 4: xx xx A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 6: xx xx 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 7: xx xx 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___checks___calls
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Old 11-05-2005, 02:47 AM
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Default Things I think I botched

<u>1) Bet the river!</u>

7 Card Stud High-Low ($0.25/$0.50), Ante $0.05, Bring-In $0.10 (converter)

3rd Street - (1.40 SB)

Hero: 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 2: xx xx Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 4: xx xx 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 5: xx xx 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 6: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 7: xx xx 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___brings-in
Seat 8: xx xx 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___folds

4th Street - (3.00 SB)

Hero: 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___bets
Seat 2: xx xx Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 4: xx xx 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___checks___calls
Seat 7: xx xx 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___checks___calls

5th Street - (3.50 BB)

Hero: 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___raises
Seat 2: xx xx Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___bets___calls
Seat 4: xx xx 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 7: xx xx 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___folds

6th Street - (7.50 BB)

Hero: 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___bets
Seat 2: xx xx Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___checks___calls

River - (9.50 BB)

Hero: 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___checks
Seat 2: xx xx Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] xx___checks

Total pot: (9.50 BB)

<u>2) Fold 3rd! Fold the river!</u>

7 Card Stud High-Low ($0.25/$0.50), Ante $0.05, Bring-In $0.10 (converter)

3rd Street - (1.20 SB)

Hero: 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 2: xx xx 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___brings-in___calls
Seat 4: xx xx T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___calls___calls
Seat 5: xx xx 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___calls___calls
Seat 7: xx xx K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___raises
Seat 8: xx xx J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___folds

4th Street - (6.20 SB)

Hero: 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___raises___calls
Seat 2: xx xx 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___calls___calls
Seat 4: xx xx T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___calls___calls
Seat 5: xx xx 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___calls___calls
Seat 7: xx xx K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___bets___raises

5th Street - (10.60 BB)

Hero: 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 2: xx xx 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 4: xx xx T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 5: xx xx 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 7: xx xx K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___bets

6th Street - (14.60 BB)

Hero: 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 2: xx xx 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 5: xx xx 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___checks___calls
Seat 7: xx xx K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___bets

River - (17.60 BB)

Hero: 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 5: xx xx 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] xx___checks___folds
Seat 7: xx xx K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] xx___bets

Total pot: (19.60 BB)
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Old 11-05-2005, 02:50 AM
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Default Things that confused me

<u>1) Raise 4th? Check 5th?</u>

7 Card Stud High-Low ($0.25/$0.50), Ante $0.05, Bring-In $0.10 (converter)

3rd Street - (1.60 SB)

Hero: 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___brings-in
Seat 2: xx xx 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 3: xx xx 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 4: xx xx K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 5: xx xx 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 6: xx xx 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 7: xx xx J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 8: xx xx K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___calls

4th Street - (3.20 SB)

Hero: 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___raises
Seat 2: xx xx 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 3: xx xx 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 8: xx xx K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___bets___calls

5th Street - (4.60 BB)

Hero: 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___checks
Seat 2: xx xx 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___checks
Seat 8: xx xx K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___checks

<u>2) I think I need to fold somewhere... but where? Do I chase all the way to the river with my AA?</u>

7 Card Stud High-Low ($0.25/$0.50), Ante $0.05, Bring-In $0.10 (converter)

3rd Street - (1.40 SB)

Hero: A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___raises
Seat 2: xx xx K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 4: xx xx A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 5: xx xx 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___brings-in___folds
Seat 6: xx xx T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___calls___calls
Seat 7: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___calls___calls
Seat 8: xx xx 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___folds

4th Street - (5.80 SB)

Hero: A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___raises
Seat 4: xx xx A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___bets___calls
Seat 6: xx xx T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___calls___folds
Seat 7: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___calls___calls

5th Street - (6.40 BB)

Hero: A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 4: xx xx A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___bets
Seat 7: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___calls

6th Street - (9.40 BB)

Hero: A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 4: xx xx A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___bets $0.30 and is all-in
Seat 7: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___calls

River - (11.20 BB)

Hero: A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 4: xx xx A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] xx___all-in
Seat 7: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] xx___bets

Total pot: (13.20 BB)

<u>3) Call this raise on 3rd? Fold 4th when the ace doesn't brick?</u>

7 Card Stud High-Low ($0.25/$0.50), Ante $0.05, Bring-In $0.10 (converter)

3rd Street - (1.20 SB)

Hero: 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___brings-in___calls
Seat 2: xx xx T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___calls___calls
Seat 5: xx xx J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 6: xx xx A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___raises
Seat 7: xx xx T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 8: xx xx A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___folds

4th Street - (4.20 SB)

Hero: 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 2: xx xx T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 6: xx xx A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___bets
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Old 11-05-2005, 07:30 AM
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Default Re: Things I think I did right

Six hands on 1 post is too much. You need to format this differently,imo. Good luck.
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Old 11-05-2005, 08:19 AM
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#1
Hardly a steal. I'd raise with jacks here too.

#2
I'd usually see fifth here. If you are going to fold for one bet after catching a low straight card, then you shouldn't be calling 3rd. I don't think a fold is too horrible since you can lose a lot of money chasing to hit the second best hand.

#3
I don't mind the check here. After calling 6th, there's almost no chance villain is folding the river. At 9,5 BB, you slide just under the next tier of rake. A river bet might be justified if you think villain might not call with just queens on the river, or if you made two pair as well.

#4
folding 3rd seems good. 4th is tough because your two small pairs are probably not going to win high and you probably won't hit a low either, leaving you with what may be the best hand now but a hand that is so easily outdrawn that I wouldn't want to play a big pot for. Given this many people in the pot, I think you might flat call 4th for a boat draw. By fifth, you've found yourself in one of the very bad spots I mentioned in hand #2. This is the reason you don't call 3rd. Fold the river of course.

#5
Don't raise 4th. Why are you raising? You make people drawing to worse hands to fold when they could have been suckered along, and someone with a better hand isn't folding for anything here. The pot is so small that there's nothing in it to protect with a raise.

#6
Don't raise 4th. You may have the best hand, but you might not, and no one is folding so you're just balooning the pot with your one lonely pair, tying yourself to a hand that's easily beaten.


#7
you have a pair, 3 to a 6low, 3 to a straight that is almost completely live! He'd have to flip over A234 to get me to fold for one small bet. The size of the pot is another good reason for calling.
Heck, even if villain held A234, he'd be glad that you folded the pot to him.
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Old 11-05-2005, 07:19 PM
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Default Re: Stud8 - Day 1, 60 hands - don\'t worry, I\'m not posting all of them

[ QUOTE ]
#1
Hardly a steal. I'd raise with jacks here too.

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Would it be more correct to call it a "value raise"?

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#2
I'd usually see fifth here. If you are going to fold for one bet after catching a low straight card, then you shouldn't be calling 3rd. I don't think a fold is too horrible since you can lose a lot of money chasing to hit the second best hand.

[/ QUOTE ]

I don't think I can possibly be a favorite either way on 4th. My high chances are pretty bad because of the 99 and my low chances are pretty bad because of the A4 and 32. I would think too many things need to go right for me simultaneously for this to be profitable.

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#3
I don't mind the check here. After calling 6th, there's almost no chance villain is folding the river. At 9,5 BB, you slide just under the next tier of rake. A river bet might be justified if you think villain might not call with just queens on the river, or if you made two pair as well.

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If I bet and he calls, they rake a nickel. If I bet and he folds, I win an extra 4.75 BB = $2.38. It was a really awful check.

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#5
Don't raise 4th. Why are you raising? You make people drawing to worse hands to fold when they could have been suckered along, and someone with a better hand isn't folding for anything here. The pot is so small that there's nothing in it to protect with a raise.

[/ QUOTE ]

This is a hold'em reflex. I like my hand, I'm going to raise now and hope players make a mistake by cold-calling.

In general, it seems that I don't know how to evaluate my hands on 4th very well.
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Old 11-06-2005, 02:28 PM
Beavis68 Beavis68 is offline
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I don't think I can possibly be a favorite either way on 4th. My high chances are pretty bad because of the 99 and my low chances are pretty bad because of the A4 and 32. I would think too many things need to go right for me simultaneously for this to be profitable.


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Like he said then, fold pre-flop.

I use a pretty strict set of guidelines for playing small pairs.

1. Two pair and set outs must be live.
2. Must be suited and fairly live.
3. Must be connected and have an ace.
4. Must be drawing to a 6 or better low.

Might be too tight, but these hands are really just a draw to a draw.
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Old 11-06-2005, 02:30 PM
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Hardly a steal. I'd raise with jacks here too.

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Would it be more correct to call it a "value raise"?

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I'd usually see fifth here. If you are going to fold for one bet after catching a low straight card, then you shouldn't be calling 3rd. I don't think a fold is too horrible since you can lose a lot of money chasing to hit the second best hand.

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I don't think I can possibly be a favorite either way on 4th. My high chances are pretty bad because of the 99 and my low chances are pretty bad because of the A4 and 32. I would think too many things need to go right for me simultaneously for this to be profitable.

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I don't mind the check here. After calling 6th, there's almost no chance villain is folding the river. At 9,5 BB, you slide just under the next tier of rake. A river bet might be justified if you think villain might not call with just queens on the river, or if you made two pair as well.

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If I bet and he calls, they rake a nickel. If I bet and he folds, I win an extra 4.75 BB = $2.38. It was a really awful check.

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Don't raise 4th. Why are you raising? You make people drawing to worse hands to fold when they could have been suckered along, and someone with a better hand isn't folding for anything here. The pot is so small that there's nothing in it to protect with a raise.

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This is a hold'em reflex. I like my hand, I'm going to raise now and hope players make a mistake by cold-calling.

In general, it seems that I don't know how to evaluate my hands on 4th very well.

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Aaron, you are the worst kind of newbie, you post looking for advice, then argue with it.

If you know it all no reason to post.
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Old 11-06-2005, 02:37 PM
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Aaron, you are the worst kind of newbie, you post looking for advice, then argue with it.

If you know it all no reason to post.


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I think that this is a very good way for a "newbie" to learn. He gives his reasoning for specific plays, and then makes sure he has the reasoning for the corrections in his play. Thats just thourough.

I don't think insults are improving anyone's play
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