Who likes pushing QQ early w/3 limpers in front?

[Moonsugar]

Most often they have good cards, of course. But they don't only do it with good cards. As I said, that would waste your good cards, unless you had a couple of spots you knew loved to spite call.

[AliasMrJones]

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A more interesting question would be, if you raise 3 times the BB rather than push, what happens if one of the limpers or someone behind you re-raises you but doesn't put you all in? Say if you call, you would have $300 left in chips (or something like that). Now you know you are beat most likely. Do you fold, call and limit yourself to $300 left in chips and the very real potential that an A or K will fall on the flop and then you are probably screwed, or do you push all in, knowing you are probably up against AA, KK or at a minimum AK? I think you have to fold to the re-raise here.

The real problem with raising 3 times the BB here, is that more than likely, you'll end up in a multi-way pot, because there will almost always be 3-4 callers (well heck I'm already in for $30, let's have some action) or a re-raiser.

I've been playing queens very gingerly 10 handed. I might play them like any other pair here and limp in and see if I hit trips or not. If that A or K shows up on the board with 3-4 players in the pot, you are stewed.

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You have the 3rd best starting hand in the game (and the ranking isn't affected by how many other players there are). If you aren't going to raise limpers with this hand you might as well quit the game now.

[kyro]

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I think the play is OK. Wouldn't be my default but it is OK. The lower the level the better the play. Also, as you play higher buy ins, if you only make this move with good hands, you are wasting the good hands.

Edit: At 33 I don't know if this move has more value than a normal raise, but at 109 which is what I play most right now, I think it has considerably less.

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I wouldn't do this at an $11 with 1000 chips. I'd think about it with 800 chips at a $55, but would probably just end up raising to 200 or so. At a $33 with 800 chips, I think the push nets you a good portion of chips a very good portion of the time.

[RobGW]

How do you make money playing poker? You make money by making your opponents make mistakes. By raising all in here you are basically letting all the bad players off the hook making it easy for them to fold their marginal holdings. Occassional you'll get a fish to bite. Making a raise though, big enough to get some limpers out but maybe one to call. Now unless that person has AA or KK he made a big mistake. In the long run this will benefit you. This seems like a waste of a premium hand which don't come around that often.

[hobbes9324]

Well.....if your theory is that you make your money off fishy mistakes, at this level a fair number of fish will call with hands worse than QQ - so you pick up a big stack of chips......if they fold, some profit is better than none.......I lean towards pushing.....but I'm a noob....

[Moonsugar]

I don't understand why. What is the difference between 800 and 1000 behind? You are basically offering the opps. the same odds if you push. And if you raise to 200 they have 4.5:1 implied v. 5.5:1 implied, not a huge difference.

Value is extracted from a move like this by your opponents making big mistakes by calling with less than QQ+, AK. In my estimation the lower you go in limits the more opponents are likely to call with less than that range. Since opps at higher levels are less likely to call without that range you are probably giving up too much value in one of your best hands by doing this move at higher levels.

[keithb]

I guess I misjudged the fishiness at Party. I play UB, where the play is better. There are still fish fo sho, but maybe I need to move to Party and dive in.

[kyro]

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I don't understand why. What is the difference between 800 and 1000 behind? You are basically offering the opps. the same odds if you push. And if you raise to 200 they have 4.5:1 implied v. 5.5:1 implied, not a huge difference.

Value is extracted from a move like this by your opponents making big mistakes by calling with less than QQ+, AK. In my estimation the lower you go in limits the more opponents are likely to call with less than that range. Since opps at higher levels are less likely to call without that range you are probably giving up too much value in one of your best hands by doing this move at higher levels.

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My point is they will call with crap at the lower levels. I've already said I wouldn't do this at the $55. And if they DON'T happen to call, yay, I increase my stack by 20%!