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View Poll Results: Folding to a river bet too often
> 1.0 3 10.00%
between 0.5 and 1.0 4 13.33%
between 0.25 and 0.5 6 20.00%
between 0.1 and 0.25 15 50.00%
< 0.1 BB/100 2 6.67%
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Old 12-30-2005, 09:33 AM
UMTerp UMTerp is offline
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Default Re: How do you play JJ here and why? Interesting bubble situation.

Anything but going all-in is just plain wrong.

You have him covered, your fold equity is tremendous, and you have a great hand.
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Old 12-30-2005, 09:36 AM
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Default Re: How do you play JJ here and why? Interesting bubble situation.

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Anything but going all-in is just plain wrong.

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You have JJ... what are you afraid of here? The very very few times you are beat are small enough to warrant the tremendous gains you make from pushing EVERY OTHER TIME.
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Old 12-30-2005, 09:49 AM
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Default Re: How do you play JJ here and why? Interesting bubble situation.

Shoooooooveee ittttt
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Old 12-30-2005, 11:56 AM
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Default Re: How do you play JJ here and why? Interesting bubble situation.

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Anything but going all-in is just plain wrong.

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You have JJ... what are you afraid of here? The very very few times you are beat are small enough to warrant the tremendous gains you make from pushing EVERY OTHER TIME.

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I'm not sure what the rush is. JJ is a good hand, but it is very vulnerable to overcards. There are 3 players yet to act. My question back to you is: Are you hurt at all if Player 1 steals the blinds?

Personally, I don't think hero has a dog in that fight and don't see a need to risk going from the big stack to a short stack.
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Old 12-30-2005, 04:16 PM
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this was an interesting hand to me mainly because of the situation it provided after the hand, i did not think about what everyone stack sizes would be and what the situation would be like if i won the all-in or if everyone folded to my all-in, but now after this game i will try and add that concept into my decision making process.

Results.

Player 1 raises 1600
Hero goes all-in for 5400
Player 2 calls for 600
blinds fold
player 1 calls

Player 1 shows 44, Hero JJ, Player 2 KQo

Player 2 hits a K on the river, whilst Hero's JJ hold out against Player 1's 44.

Ok stack sizes are now,

Hero 9600
Player 2 3000
Player 3 (small blind from above hand)300
Player 4 (big blind from above 2700)

As many players should know this is a perfect bubble situation for the big stack.

From this point on it was plain sailing (regardless of what hands i was dealt) to first place.

So basically, if i had have worked out that if i was called and won i would effectively been guaranteed first then this would have definitely swayed and made a big impact on my decision to go all-in with the jacks.

In essence the point of this post is to suggest that perhaps players (certainly including myself) should try to think about what situation they would be in if they win/lose a hand. This applies to not just how large their stack size is but also the relative stack sizes of opponents and whether or not a golden situation will arise if they are called and win.

Naturally i could not predict that player 2 was gonna call and win or that player 3 or 4 would fold, but nevertheless i believe that it could be something to think about a lot more.
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