Another 200/400 bellagio hand vs terri

[DpR]

I think BK has thebest hand here close to 50% of the time.

Bottom line is that I most certainly do not want to put in 7 BB on the two streets, nor do I ever want to fold. If BK 5 bets, he can be put in the position to do one of the two options above. If BK calls and leads, only 6 bets can go in max, and he definitely gets 6.

[Lestat]

If he calls and leads (not a terrible play), shouldn't he 3-bet the river given what took place in the KJ hand?

I know what you mean about gaining and losing what a hand seems worth. But because of the KJ hand, BK is in an excellent position to make a little extra, don't you think?

[roy_miami]

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I know what you mean about gaining and losing what a hand seems worth. But because of the KJ hand, BK is in an excellent position to make a little extra, don't you think?

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She knows that BK had KJ that hand so that should help BK get a little extra with top 2.

BK knows she knows BK had KJ that hand so that also should help BK push harder here with top 2 and make a little extra.

BUT, she knows BK knows she knows he had KJ that hand so when BK 3-bets this hand she should assume he's not getting out of line again.

AND, BK knows she knows BK knows she knows he had KJ that hand and BK knows she should assume he's not getting over aggressive with top pair again so BK needs to play a little more carefully here.

I'm not sure where top 2 fits into all of this but I think its close either way between calling and raising.

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She knows that BK had KJ that hand so that should help BK get a little extra with top 2.

BK knows she knows BK had KJ that hand so that also should help BK push harder here with top 2 and make a little extra.

BUT, she knows BK knows she knows he had KJ that hand so when BK 3-bets this hand she should assume he's not getting out of line again.

AND, BK knows she knows BK knows she knows he had KJ that hand and BK knows she should assume he's not getting over aggressive with top pair again so BK needs to play a little more carefully here.

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Doesn't she know all of this, though?

[DcifrThs]

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She knows that BK had KJ that hand so that should help BK get a little extra with top 2.

BK knows she knows BK had KJ that hand so that also should help BK push harder here with top 2 and make a little extra.

BUT, she knows BK knows she knows he had KJ that hand so when BK 3-bets this hand she should assume he's not getting out of line again.

AND, BK knows she knows BK knows she knows he had KJ that hand and BK knows she should assume he's not getting over aggressive with top pair again so BK needs to play a little more carefully here.

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Doesn't she know all of this, though?

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doesn't he know she knows all of this, though? [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

[Lestat]

Sorry. I was mainly thinking of the other hand where BK had 44, donked the river, and wound up paying off 3rd pair or something after his opponent raised (I think this was the same player... too lazy to look it up now).

The bottom line is that I feel the image that BK has thus far developed (for better or worse), with this particular player deserves to gain him a little extra with a decent hand.

[roy_miami]

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Sorry. I was mainly thinking of the other hand where BK had 44, donked the river, and wound up paying off 3rd pair or something after his opponent raised (I think this was the same player... too lazy to look it up now).


[/ QUOTE ] Nah, it was this one.

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Folded to me in the BB with KJ and I 3 bet. This is the 2nd time I've put a raise in out of the blinds and the last time I had kings and showed it down.

She calls.

Flop J83

I bet, she raises, I call.

Turn 5 I bet, she raises, I insta 3 bet.

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[DpR]

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If he calls and leads (not a terrible play), shouldn't he 3-bet the river given what took place in the KJ hand?

I know what you mean about gaining and losing what a hand seems worth. But because of the KJ hand, BK is in an excellent position to make a little extra, don't you think?

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I hadnt read the KJ hand prior to posting in this one (Was away all weekend and catching up on posts today). Given that hand I do not dislike 5-betting as much as BK is ahead more than I thought. I would really have to be in the game to know if a river bet/3-bet was not psychotic. Certainly would be pretty sweet though :-) That said, seems a little 'over tricky', and putting 4 bets in on both big streets here would make me feel pretty dumb (especially against a non-lagtard)