Flop the nut straight..

kem · #1 06-22-2004, 11:12 PM

So I flop the nuts. The turn then pairs the board. Only one guy in the pot, and he's raising the roof. Who plays it differently? The only read I have is that MP is very loose, and the game just dropped from 10 down to 5 players in a matter of 3 or 4 hands.

Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (5 handed)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
Hero raises, MP 3-bets, Button folds, SB folds, BB folds, Hero calls.

Flop: (7.50 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets, Hero raises, MP 3-bets, Hero caps, MP calls.

Turn: (7.75 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, MP raises, Hero calls.

River: (11.75 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, MP raises, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 15.75 BB
Main Pot: 15.75 BB, between Hero and MP. > Pot won by MP (15.75 BB).

Results in white below: 
Hero shows Qc Js (straight, ace high).
MP shows Ah Ac (full house, aces full of tens).
Outcome: MP wins 15.75 BB. 

Maybe it wasn't smart, but I bet out both the turn and the river, despite scary cards. I know I could be facing a full house on the turn, and a flush on the river... Where did I go wrong?

Brain · #2 06-22-2004, 11:15 PM

I think I bet the turn too most of the time and check/call the river.

blackaces13 · #3 06-22-2004, 11:16 PM

I'd fold QJo UTG, its certainly not a UTG raising hand and you found that out when AA isolated you.

I think I would re-raise the turn before I give him credit for the boat. Calling on the turn and leading the river doesn't make much sense. Either re-raise the turn or call down.

You can't get away from a straight heads up, running into a boat is very rarely going to happen.

EDIT: didn't notice the game was 5 handed, raising UTG is ok in that case.

kem · #4 06-22-2004, 11:18 PM

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I think I bet the turn too most of the time and check/call the river.

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Would you 3-bet the turn after the raise or just call? I felt like I was being too weak, but I did end up losing, so being weak might have saved me a couple of bets.

B Dids · #5 06-22-2004, 11:21 PM

Fold preflop, don't bet.

Nice flop though, your play here is fine. I think given the action you have to think that he's got a set or two pair here.

ACK!!! the board paired, so at best he's got AK at worst you're dead. I think you can lead the turn, but once he re-raises you then you can call it down.

kem · #6 06-22-2004, 11:22 PM

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I'd fold QJo UTG, its certainly not a UTG raising hand and you found that out when AA isolated you.

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You fold QJo UTG in a 5 handed game?

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I think I would re-raise the turn before I give him credit for the boat. Calling on the turn and leading the river doesn't make much sense. Either re-raise the turn or call down.

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When the flush card hit on the river, I thought there was some chance I win the pot there with a bet. When he raised, I thought he had the flush.

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You can't get away from a straight heads up, running into a boat is very rarely going to happen.

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And that might be the lesson to take home from this hand.. I'll add the guy to my buddy list, and try to get my $7 back..

kem · #7 06-22-2004, 11:28 PM

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Fold preflop, don't bet.

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Is that the concensus here? Fold QJo UTG 5-handed?

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ACK!!! the board paired, so at best he's got AK at worst you're dead. I think you can lead the turn, but once he re-raises you then you can call it down.

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I guess that is what I should have done. I thought about it, but the guy was in like 75% of the hands before this, and I figured he was a maniac playing any ace and raising TP, maybe two pair.

blackaces13 · #8 06-22-2004, 11:30 PM

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When the flush card hit on the river, I thought there was some chance I win the pot there with a bet. When he raised, I thought he had the flush.

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This doesn't make sense because any hand that would fold for fear of a flush you can already beat. A river bet here gets raised by almost any hand that beats you. There is no way on earth that a hand you can beat will fold so why are you betting now rather than re-raising the turn?

As for the fold advice I edited my response because I didn't notice it was 5 handed.

kem · #9 06-22-2004, 11:39 PM

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This doesn't make sense because any hand that would fold for fear of a flush you can already beat. A river bet here gets raised by almost any hand that beats you. There is no way on earth that a hand you can beat will fold so why are you betting now rather than re-raising the turn?

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You're right.. it doesn't make sense. I should have either decided I probably had the better hand and 3-bet the turn, or decided I was probably behind and check-called the river..

Ponks · #10 06-23-2004, 12:02 AM

Sorry I didnt read all the replies, but I'd muck QJo UTG and most other positions too.

Ponks