KK vs. possible rock - Page 2

KingOtter · #1 09-22-2005, 04:29 PM

I don't think a rock lets up with a nutflush. I can't imagine what hand he called 1.5 bets with pre-flop that is a non-nutflush. QJ? meh, I doubt it.

I can't see any hand with A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] in it except for AA, and I don't think a rock lets up with an AA hand with A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. I also don't seem him cold-calling AA pre-flop.

That leaves the pocket pairs. I see 99-QQ, but KK and AA he's 3-betting ou pre-flop, IMO.

Bet, fold to a raise sounds ok with me. Hopefully you'll see JJ here.

KO

BigBiceps · #2 09-22-2005, 04:41 PM

I think he flopped the non nut flush, you should check behind.

J. Stew · #3 09-22-2005, 04:57 PM

If he had AA wouldn't he reraise pf and if he had TT I think he would bet/raise the turn. Most likely holdings seem like QQ or JJ, maybe with a [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. If he flopped a set I think you have to pay off cause he just checked/called the turn. I would think even a rock would assume you have an overpair here and bet the turn with a set of nines. His play looks like an overpair. If not make a note. If he slo-played the nut flush then that sux but you can't fear that and not bet the river cause you're good here more often than the few times he flops tha nutz.

VoraciousReader · #4 09-22-2005, 06:04 PM

I check behind. I think you only get called by a hand that beats you.

And, here's something I don't get. Most people are saying he'd reraise with AA/KK. Granted, we only have 60 hands on him, but if he's a TRUE 2% pfr, I don't see him REraising before the flop...well...ever. That is just unbelievably tight. That means that in the 60 hands OP has on him, he has raised before the flop--once.

I think there's an excellent chance you're looking at AA here. Probably with the A of hearts. If he doesn't happen to have 99. If he doesn't happen to have a flush.

Either that, or he's been card-dead for 60 hands and is tilting. I check and prepare to make a note.

#5 09-22-2005, 06:20 PM

(grunch 4)

Based on the read, you're looking at a flush or set. It's gotta be the set. I think he's getting weak/tight at the turn & river. I don't see a rock c/r the river. Based on his slowing down, I put him on a lower flush like Q-high. I would probably be checking behind him. I'd bet/fold or just check it down. It's a small pot. I think I'll take a free showdown.

PokerSparky · #6 09-22-2005, 06:25 PM

While 60 hands isn't a huge sample, I don't think a villain that plays 9% of his hands preflop has anything that would make a flush here.

The flop 3 bet tells me that villain likes his hand, so I'm guessing an overpair or 99. AA is less of a possibilty since even the biggest rocks know to three bet it.

So your losing to 99, TT, and an unlikely AA. You're beating JJ, QQ, and splitting with an unlikely KK. I don't feel like going through all the combos and the math, but I think you can bet this river.

Edit: I suppose there's a chance that villain plays A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]K like this as well.

benkath1 · #7 09-22-2005, 06:28 PM

I may be weak, but I'd check behind. Ain't no way a flush/set is folding, I doubt TPTK will call, so no reason to spew.

#8 09-22-2005, 06:30 PM

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This just in! Rock folds his non-nut flush to river bet!

benkath1 · #9 09-22-2005, 06:55 PM

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I may be weak, but I'd check behind. Ain't no way a flush/set is folding, I doubt TPTK will call, so no reason to spew.

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This just in! Rock folds his non-nut flush to river bet!

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Huh? I don't think so. HU, no way is he folding a flush, nut or not. I would guess he has the A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] and was hoping to hit, if our hero bets the river he will fold A high anyway, so what's the value.

Not a bad time to get a read on a rock either.

#10 09-22-2005, 07:05 PM

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I may be weak, but I'd check behind. Ain't no way a flush/set is folding, I doubt TPTK will call, so no reason to spew.

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This just in! Rock folds his non-nut flush to river bet!

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Huh? I don't think so. HU, no way is he folding a flush, nut or not. I would guess he has the A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] and was hoping to hit, if our hero bets the river he will fold A high anyway, so what's the value.

Not a bad time to get a read on a rock either.

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I make joke, eh! I know he's not folding a flush. But based on the play and read, I'm nearly convinced he's got 99 or the non-nut flush. Why would the rock slow down on the turn & river? The more I think about it, I'm glad we get the free showdown. I would be folding if he bet out on the river. What did he show?