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Old 12-12-2005, 12:53 AM
aggie aggie is offline
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Default How bad was this play?

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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (3 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

SB ($33.60)
Hero ($329.45)
Button ($204.35)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
Button calls $2, SB completes, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $10</font>, Button calls $8, SB folds.

Flop: ($22) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $20</font>, Button calls $20.

Turn: ($62) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets $64</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $299.45</font>, Button calls $110.35 (All-In).

River: ($535.80) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: $535.80
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Old 12-12-2005, 01:03 AM
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Default Re: How bad was this play?

You do realize this is an extremely draw-heavy board, right? I don't like giving free cards.

FWIW, I would only attempt this check-raise if villain was very aggressive and guaranteed to bet any draw or any pair. Most villains will check behind most hands you beat (Kx being the possible exception).

I guess another time is if villain is apt to call with nothing on the flop and try to take it away from you on the turn. But this is rarely the case at these limits.

Hope he didn't show you 89o.

Garland

P.S. I voted for bad play only because the worst play ever would be to open fold your hand on the turn [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img].
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Old 12-12-2005, 01:18 AM
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Default Re: How bad was this play?

i voted for "id play it like this"
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Old 12-12-2005, 01:19 AM
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FWIW, I would only attempt this check-raise if villain was very aggressive and guaranteed to bet any draw or any pair. Most villains will check behind most hands you beat (Kx being the possible exception).


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This is a very key stipulation
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Old 12-12-2005, 01:26 AM
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Default Re: How bad was this play?

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i voted for "id play it like this"

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So did I.
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Old 12-12-2005, 01:33 AM
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Default Re: How bad was this play?

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i voted for "id play it like this"

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Old 12-12-2005, 01:34 AM
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You do realize this is an extremely draw-heavy board, right? I don't like giving free cards.

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I don't like leaving myself with half of a pot bet left on the river with TPTK on drawy boards where I have no idea where I'm at.
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Old 12-12-2005, 01:38 AM
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I don't like leaving myself with half of a pot bet left on the river with TPTK on drawy boards where I have no idea where I'm at.

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3-handed on a raised pot, TPTK is a monster. The way hero played it, he knew was going with it. If villain has a better hand with 100xbb, then so be it he's most likely going to double villain up. No need to help villain out by potentially letting him catch up on the river.

Garland
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Old 12-12-2005, 01:45 AM
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Default Re: How bad was this play?

So the river is a queen, jack, ten, nine, or diamond, and you just happily push in another $110 while he folds all the hands that missed? Or you check and call against all the hands that hit and let him check behind with the rest?
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Old 12-12-2005, 01:54 AM
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So the river is a queen, jack, ten, nine, or diamond, and you just happily push in another $110 while he folds all the hands that missed? Or you check and call against all the hands that hit and let him check behind with the rest?

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I still like my hand on the turn. If hero bets pot here, it should be $186 in the pot with $112 left to go for villain. I would pay him off if he hit. Do whatever's necessary to prevent yourself from being bluffed out on the river if that's a worry. Overbet the pot on the turn by betting $70ish. Makes the river a commitment thing if it wasn't obvious already.

Garland
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