Curtains: flop decision

[downtown]

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Check. A bet is likely enough to take it down, but getting check-raised would be bad against the only bigger stack here and the chances of hitting the nuts up against the big stack is inviting. Anyway, free card and you have a draw.

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Can someone explain to me why getting check/raised is bad when you have the best hand?

[Dr_Jeckyl_00]

check and take a free card

Continuation bet 400, which I'd likely do if I don't have a hand this good. I'd be prepared to go to the felt for this one. If check raised on the flop, I'd move in. We have at least 9 outs, but more likely 12 or 15 outs.

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Check. A bet is likely enough to take it down, but getting check-raised would be bad against the only bigger stack here and the chances of hitting the nuts up against the big stack is inviting. Anyway, free card and you have a draw.

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Can someone explain to me why getting check/raised is bad when you have the best hand?

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Its part of the fear people have of putting their chips in "on a draw", even if that draw is ahead.

[microbet]

If you get check-raised aces and tens might not be outs.

The chip stacks make a big difference in my play here.

[45suited]

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The chip stacks make a big difference in my play here.

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Check. A bet is likely enough to take it down, but getting check-raised would be bad against the only bigger stack here and the chances of hitting the nuts up against the big stack is inviting. Anyway, free card and you have a draw.

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Can someone explain to me why getting check/raised is bad when you have the best hand?

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Its part of the fear people have of putting their chips in "on a draw", even if that draw is ahead.

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His draw is not ahead unless opponent is on 99 or worse, though.

[ravensfan]

My understanding is this: we probably have 12 outs if c/r'ed. Ie. Either A8/AJ+, or a pp > 99. If we're not c/r'ed we take the pot. But if so, we are probably -EV to $0 EVish when including c/r bluffs.

Thing is since it's the other large stack, sure we can go all-in for a draw, but if we miss we bust out, and if we don't play it, we'll still be in a very comfortable position.

Besides, I think we're losing EV by forcing him out of hand since villian has no reason to put us on either a flush draw or 10TK and may very well bet out on one/call a small bet.

Besides, if we miss next round, we're still getting good pot/implied odds to call a $400 bet.

[The Yugoslavian]

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What is wrong with a push here? With 600 already in the middle I'd say it's +EV.

I'm not saying it's the best option....but those chips have significant value already even before any more get in there. I do rather like the idea of letting the villian stab at it and then raising allin, however. And if you get a free card, that also seems pretty good.

Yugoslav

[curtains]

thinking about this hand as "being ahead" is kind of silly. Getting allin on the flop is a disaster for us. You are usually at best close to a coinflip against any logical hand they may have and you are 2nd chipleader by a longshot.

Also checking is +EV too, because you can hit a huge hand and win a lot of chips, you may make a continuation bet on the turn to win the pot and etc etc. Sometimes you will end up losing a small pot and those are the breaks, but it avoids the unpleasantness of being checkraised allin. Im still a signifigant favorite to win the pot even after checking the flop, and sometimes may win a huge hand in a situation where my opponent has close to zero outs, if a club were to fall.

Another note...if they bet on the turn and I have missed, a tricky play is to call, with the intention of bluffing on the river if you miss again. If the opponent checks the river in this scenario they are almost surely folding to a large river bet. If they follow through and bet the river, then you just fold.