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Old 12-20-2005, 04:24 AM
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Default AA oop, i\'m scared

2/4 NL party 6-max

i have 563, villain has me covered.

dealt AA in sb, two limpers, i make it 16 to go, bb calls, villain calls in the CO.

flop A59 monotone spades. i bet 40, bb folds, villain makes it 140. move?
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Old 12-20-2005, 04:45 AM
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Default Re: AA oop, i\'m scared

Make it 24 PF. Either fold or reraise all-in on flop all in. If he's not a nit, i'm probably all in here. He'll show you slick with Ks, 55 or 99 often enough. If you raise more PF, you raise the possibility of the aforementioned hands and lower poss of KsQs or 7s8s.
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Old 12-20-2005, 05:52 AM
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Given the spades, I like the reraise all in on the flop.
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Old 12-20-2005, 07:51 AM
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Make it 24 PF. Either fold or reraise all-in on flop all in. If he's not a nit, i'm probably all in here. He'll show you slick with Ks, 55 or 99 often enough. If you raise more PF, you raise the possibility of the aforementioned hands and lower poss of KsQs or 7s8s.

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I agree with the 24 min preflop.

But a limper showing AK with the spade, lol!

Given the action, limping, Id say he has like 76s 78s etc, and flopped it.
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Old 12-20-2005, 09:27 AM
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Default Re: AA oop, i\'m scared

tech,

my standard bring-in is $16 w/o limpers. why no adjustment for limpers?
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Old 12-20-2005, 09:27 AM
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I dont know, in these situations i often call his raise, check to him on the turn and try to make a godly read. Raising all-in doesnt accomplish too much here imo. You fold out most of the bad hands, against set you can probably get the money in on the turn too, and flushdraw does not have odds anyway.
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Old 12-20-2005, 09:27 AM
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Make it 24 PF. Either fold or reraise all-in on flop all in. If he's not a nit, i'm probably all in here. He'll show you slick with Ks, 55 or 99 often enough. If you raise more PF, you raise the possibility of the aforementioned hands and lower poss of KsQs or 7s8s.

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I agree with the 24 min preflop.

But a limper showing AK with the spade, lol!

Given the action, limping, Id say he has like 76s 78s etc, and flopped it.

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buttons,

do you call the flop raise or muck?
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Old 12-20-2005, 10:12 AM
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Reraise more preflop. A read on the villian would certainly help postflop.

With no read, call and see what he does on the turn. If he pot commits you than you can probably give up your hand. A set is not that likely because he'd probably raise 99pf (so that leaves only 55)....If he checks behind on a blank value bet the river (provided it's a blank). If the turn is a spade you might want to seriously consider leading out and trying to take the pot away from a possible small flush.
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Old 12-20-2005, 01:15 PM
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Maulik,

call > muck
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Old 12-20-2005, 02:13 PM
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2/4 NL party 6-max

i have 563, villain has me covered.

dealt AA in sb, two limpers, i make it 16 to go, bb calls, villain calls in the CO.

flop A59 monotone spades. i bet 40, bb folds, villain makes it 140. move?

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In a vaccuum, you will improve to the nuts 33% of the time.

That means that even if there was no dead money in the pot (and there is quite a bit) you only have to be crushed a whole heck of a lot of the time to not want to get it all-in on this flop. Or if you think he will bet on a blank turn (he probably will), c/r a blank turn all in baby.

There is no WAY you are folding this hand on the flop. NO WAY.
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