Could I be in an uglier spot with an overpair?

Harv72b · #1 12-17-2005, 01:24 AM

A hand I played earlier today. UTG has respectable TAG numbers over a decent sample size, but my notes on him say that he has real problems folding his PFR hands postflop. MP3 is unknown and joined the table less than orbit prior.

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Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG raises, 4 folds, MP3 3-bets, 3 folds, Hero caps, UTG calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: (12.40 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)

Okay, smart guys....what's our street by street plan on this one?

I mean, besides backdooring a royal flush. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

Maulik · #2 12-17-2005, 01:45 AM

how about check/calling because you are against 2pair, straight, and flush draws. You don't want to put lots of money in versus the made straight or the 2 pair hands. Unfortunately it will be tough if not impossible to deceipher who is on the flush draw.

squeek12 · #3 12-17-2005, 02:05 AM

don't play 5/10, but i would checkraise the flop and lead the turn if not played back at. if it gets three bet, we have a discounted straight draw due to the likelyhood that there AK is very likely to be one of our opponents holdings.

if we check and it's two back to us, i would most likely flat call and see what happens from there.

this could be horrible, but getting flamed would be equally as helpful as being right.

#4 12-17-2005, 07:28 AM

I check/call the flop.

You're not worried about giving free/cheap cards and the 3bettors range has you crushed at the moment.

The turn is dependant on action and card.

bobhalford · #5 12-17-2005, 12:30 PM

I would just call here and hope to hit a [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] on the turn for your backdoor flush. AK/AA is such a distinct possibility that you don't want to put in too many bets with this hand.

hobbsmann · #6 12-17-2005, 12:37 PM

ewwww this flop is gross. While check/calling after capping preflop seems weak I think this is probably the best play here, but make sure you concentrate on turning the A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] as well (this is important).

toss · #7 12-17-2005, 02:41 PM

Seems like a good spot to check/call donw unless we make a straight. Very good chance we're behind to a better hand.

chief444 · #8 12-17-2005, 02:52 PM

c/c. If flop by some miracle checks through, bet turn. If MP3's the only one doing the betting then I'm probably check/calling the river as well if two blanks fall since he's unknown. The only times you're ahead here the opponent's don't have many outs. You're likely behind and drawing. So I really see no reason to put in more bets than necessary on the flop.

Harv72b · #9 12-17-2005, 02:54 PM

Y'all should know that I never check the flop after capping preflop. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG raises, 4 folds, MP3 3-bets, 3 folds, Hero caps, UTG calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: (12.40 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, UTG calls, MP3 calls.

Turn: (7.70 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Ummmm....okay?

EDIT: Check/call is probably the best line here. I just very rarely convince myself to check the flop after raising, let alone capping.

chief444 · #10 12-17-2005, 03:06 PM

I guess now you bet/call again.