Tough decision vs frappe

[lstream]

OK guys - what is your play on fourth? Seat 7 is Frappe.

7 Card Stud High ($5/$10), Ante $0.50, Bring-In $2 (converter)

3rd Street - (0.70 SB)

Seat 1: xx xx J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___folds
Hero: 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 4: xx xx T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 5: xx xx 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 6: xx xx 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___brings-in___calls
Seat 7: xx xx K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___completes
Seat 8: xx xx J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___folds

4th Street - (4.70 SB)

Hero: 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___???
Seat 5: xx xx 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___
Seat 6: xx xx 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___
Seat 7: xx xx K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___double bets

[beta1607]

I think Frappe's raising standards are sufficiently wide here that you are justified in calling down and betting when checked to.

[BeerMoney]

Its a fold against frappeboy.

[blumpkin22]

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Its a fold against frappeboy.

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Wrong.

[benwood]

What a crappy suck-ass situation.I would just angrily call it down.

[Guyon]

I'm not sure who frappe is, but "I would just angrily call it down."

[frappeboy]

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I think Frappe's raising standards are sufficiently wide here that you are justified in calling down and betting when checked to.

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Well my minimum hand here is pocket queens. So what are the odds that i have QQ or AA in the hole compared to a king in the hole... I suck at math.

[blumpkin22]

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I think Frappe's raising standards are sufficiently wide here that you are justified in calling down and betting when checked to.

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Well my minimum hand here is pocket queens. So what are the odds that i have QQ or AA in the hole compared to a king in the hole... I suck at math.

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Without doing any math I can assure you that there is enough chance that you have QQ/AA and don't improve combined with the chance that you have KKK and he sucks out to win.

Not knowing who this Frappe person is, I would kick myself in the head for slow-playing on 3rd and not finding out where I really am in the hand. Whoever's in the pot with you will give some representation of their hand, in this case it appears Frappe would've reraised you on 3rd. And there you have it, you know he's on split K's. 4th brings him trips and it's an easy fold now. Hope this answers your query.

[peritonlogon]

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I think Frappe's raising standards are sufficiently wide here that you are justified in calling down and betting when checked to.

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Well my minimum hand here is pocket queens. So what are the odds that i have QQ or AA in the hole compared to a king in the hole... I suck at math.

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Without doing any math I can assure you that there is enough chance that you have QQ/AA and don't improve combined with the chance that you have KKK and he sucks out to win.

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math, = on 4th 13 dead 39 live, 4 aces & 3 queens.
AA=6 QQ=3 at least 1 king =75 (38+38-1 think this is right)
9 times ahead 75 times behind. 8.33-1 or .12% chance ahead

2dimes querry equity of 666 vs. the 2 overpair with same dead ~ 78.5%
2dimes querry equity of 666 vs. KKK7 ~22%(KKK2 was a few .001 dif)
therefore equity equals

.785 * .12 + .22* .88 = .194

Assuming we actually knew those where frappe's opening standards, with 4.7 smb in pot and 2smb to call this is a clear fold.