QQ - Re-raise or call?

[FreakDaddy]

Re-posted in simple poll format for my friend. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Playing 6max 400nl on prima. I have 400 as does everyone else in the hand. Opponents tend to call down to often and are very hard to bluff.

UTG makes it 12, Co min raises to 20. Im on the button with QQ. Reraise or call and why

[RikaKazak]

I still like call because you have position.

[ahnuld]

please let this die already....

[RikaKazak]

if you don't like it, then just skip over it, there are TONS of other posts out there

[ahnuld]

no, becuase im the friend hes refering to, we got into a discussion yesterday about what the best line is in the above case, but its been beaten to death

[FreakDaddy]

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no, becuase im the friend hes refering to, we got into a discussion yesterday about what the best line is in the above case, but its been beaten to death

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I'm not satisified, and I enjoy discussing the game. If you don't, then like it was stated earlier, you can skip it. I haven't heard any real sound reasoning why you should call. It just appear like the default weak/tight line to me, while I've heard better reasoning on why you should raise.

Thought it would generate a little more discussion then it did because it's a fairly common situation that can make siginifcant impact on your winrate if you don't play this situation ideally. Of course this is somewhat wind tunnel reasoning, but...

You have position, raise a non A K flop when they bet into you....

[RikaKazak]

you have position, if you are vs. AA or KK you can see flop and try to hit set and bust them, if you 3 bet, you might get blown off the hand by a huge 4 bet. Also even if you 3 bet and they just call, AA or KK can very easily do that so you don't learn much info, and you can see if there's an ace or K on flop, if there's one of those, then I think it's easy to get rid of, also if the flop is J high, and it's bet and raised in front of you easy to get rid of. 3 betting I think doesn't clarify where you stand, and it gives your "2nd raiser" a chance to blow you off the hand and not let you draw to a set to double.

[kagame]

what exactly would rereraising here accomplish?

to get an AK to fold you have to make it at least a 4th of your stack, and then have fun folding to a push by the reckless AK holders, or are you planning on calling the inevitable all in and be either:

A. slightly ahead
B. way behind

Call and flop a set you sicko, this is a typical NL situation where you tread cautiously without very strong reads

[RikaKazak]

better put kagame then I could ever try, LOL