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Old 11-14-2005, 10:04 PM
paperboyNC paperboyNC is offline
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Default AKo against an ultra-tight UTG raise

UTG+1 is 20/3/0.81. He has only raised pre-flop 4 times in 144 hands. So I don't want to 3-bet, but if he has QQ or JJ I have a lot of outs. thoughts?

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Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 raises</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero calls, <font color="#666666">5 folds</font>.

Flop: (5.40 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: (3.70 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, Hero calls.

River: (5.70 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 6.70 BB
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Old 11-14-2005, 10:12 PM
A_C_Slater A_C_Slater is offline
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Default Re: AKo against an ultra-tight UTG raise

If he could only have AA-JJ or AK then you should fold the flop. You don't have odds to draw to your six possibly dirty outs. Or you're drawing to a split.
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Old 11-14-2005, 10:13 PM
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Default Re: AKo against an ultra-tight UTG raise

3-bet preflop. 144 hands is nowhere near enough of a read to do this.
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Old 11-14-2005, 11:01 PM
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Default Re: AKo against an ultra-tight UTG raise

I play it the same. The 3-bet preflop is completely without value against the pfr, and the BB coming along isn't a horrible proposition.
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Old 11-14-2005, 11:26 PM
Borodog Borodog is offline
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Default Re: AKo against an ultra-tight UTG raise

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I play it the same. The 3-bet preflop is completely without value against the pfr, and the BB coming along isn't a horrible proposition.

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There are 5 players to Hero's left and he has AK. Three. Bet.
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Old 11-15-2005, 10:46 AM
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Default Re: AKo against an ultra-tight UTG raise

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There are 5 players to Hero's left and he has AK. Three. Bet.

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If his range is JJ-AA, AK, shouldn't I fold instead?
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Old 11-15-2005, 11:23 AM
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Default Re: AKo against an ultra-tight UTG raise

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I play it the same. The 3-bet preflop is completely without value against the pfr, and the BB coming along isn't a horrible proposition.

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There are 5 players to Hero's left and he has AK. Three. Bet.

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You are possibly the stupidest small stakes poster ever.
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Old 11-15-2005, 12:02 PM
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Default Re: AKo against an ultra-tight UTG raise

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I play it the same. The 3-bet preflop is completely without value against the pfr, and the BB coming along isn't a horrible proposition.

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I'm confused.

If I'm not 3-betting this pre-flop, then I don't even wanna play it...
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Old 11-15-2005, 12:58 PM
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Default Re: AKo against an ultra-tight UTG raise

Even though you have only 144 hands, he seems tight. Lets say his raising ranges is a bit looser than what you said --AA-TT, and AK or AQ. Given that you have AK:

1. There are 6 combos you're way behind (3 other AA combos, and 3 other KK combos)

2. There are 12 combos you're strongly ahead of (12 other AQs)

3. There are 27 combos you're around even with (6-QQ,6-JJ, 6-TT and 9 other AK)

given the above (that the range of hands you are up against is at worst equal with you), and that you have position for the rest of the hand, and that a 3-bet should take the blinds money as well, its a definite 3-bet
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Old 11-15-2005, 01:00 PM
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When I said 12 other AQs, I meant 12 other AQ combinations(plural), not 12 other AQ-suited
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