Weird river hand

edge · #1 11-01-2005, 01:51 AM

5/10 6-handed. I just sat down recently, so less than 5 hands played, but Villain doesn't strike me as good based on his name and other things (I know, weak read). UTG limps, poster folds, I make it 60 with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] and 1000 behind, folded to UTG (covers) who calls.

Flop K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] with 135 in the pot.

Villain checks, I bet 110, he makes it 275, I call.

Turn Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] with 685 in the pot.

Checked through.

River K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] with 685 in the pot.

Villain bets 175. I have about 650 total left.

Clearly I'm not going to fold. Raise or call? If raise, how much?

AZK · #2 11-01-2005, 02:09 AM

Why did you even bother betting this flop? check it! It's so much easier to win this way.

BobboFitos · #3 11-01-2005, 02:10 AM

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Why did you even bother betting this flop? check it! It's so much easier to win this way.

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i agree

#4 11-01-2005, 02:10 AM

Call. If he does have a king he played it great. If he doesn't have a Q though its unlikely he's paying you off with a lower PP.

Allinlife · #5 11-01-2005, 02:15 AM

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Why did you even bother betting this flop? check it! It's so much easier to win this way.

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i agree

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what else do you guys check this flop with after raising pre?

I understand that it does make the hand much easier to play, but since I c-bet with anything I rased preflop with and taking it down majority of the time, I feel that at times like this when I actaully do have something, I need to bet.

and how would this differ from checking dry A82 flop in position with KK/QQ after raising preflop?

AZK · #6 11-01-2005, 02:15 AM

A lot of times when you check a flop like that people will call you down with ANYTHING:

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

saw flop|[color=#C00000]saw showdown

BB ($3299)
UTG ($2786)
UTG+1 ($3619)
UTG+2 ($3612)
MP1 ($2769)
MP2 ($2424)
MP3 ($631)
CO ($2114)
[color=#C00000]Hero ($2247)
[color=#C00000]SB ($1198)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $10.
[color=#666666]7 folds, [color=#CC3333]Hero raises to $70, SB (poster) calls $60, [color=#666666]1 fold.

Flop: ($160) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] [color=#0000FF](2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

Turn: ($160) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] [color=#0000FF](2 players)
SB checks, [color=#CC3333]Hero bets $100, SB calls $100.

River: ($360) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] [color=#0000FF](2 players)
SB checks, [color=#CC3333]Hero bets $200, SB calls $200.

Final Pot: $760

Results in white below: [color=#FFFFFF]
SB has 5h 5s (two pair, queens and fives).
Hero has Ad As (two pair, aces and queens).
Outcome: Hero wins $660.

TheWorstPlayer · #7 11-01-2005, 02:25 AM

You missed out on him bluff check/raising the flop and then bluffing off his stack on the turn and river.

edge · #8 11-01-2005, 02:29 AM

I don't check flops dawg. I can see how it works out nicely with AA, but I don't want to check behind with 77 and have no idea what's going on.

xorbie · #9 11-01-2005, 02:30 AM

I would check this flop with almost any hand I raise PF.

TheWorstPlayer · #10 11-01-2005, 02:35 AM

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I don't check flops dawg. I can see how it works out nicely with AA, but I don't want to check behind with 77 and have no idea what's going on.

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If you check with AK, AA, 77, QJ, etc. how is your situation any different on the turn than it would have been on, say, a Q82 flop or whatever?