Facing massive overbet by a maniac on party 5/10 - Page 3

Officer Farva · #21 11-03-2005, 06:12 PM

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Thanks to this post I am $1,500 richer. The following hand occured today, I had never played with Banzan (BB) before. Called solely based on the comments in this thread. Not much content here, just wanted to say thanks I guess.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

saw flop|saw showdown

MP ($339)
CO ($604)
Hero ($1447.25)
SB ($1265)
BB ($1657.50)
UTG ($1199)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $5.
2 folds, CO raises to $40, Hero calls $40, SB (poster) calls $35, BB calls $30.

Flop: ($160) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, CO bets $50, Hero raises to $200, SB folds, BB calls $1617.50 (All-In), CO folds, Hero calls $1207.25 (All-In).

Turn: ($3234.75) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($3234.75) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: $3234.75

Results in white below: 
BB has Ad Jd (high card, ace).
Hero has Qh Kc (one pair, kings).
Outcome: Hero wins $3024.50. BB wins $210.25. 

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that call is very marginal btw, even vs banzan.

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You do realize that this is not a maniacal play by him and he actually got his chips in as a favorite right? I mean you had odds to call obviously, but it's not exactly a coup to get all in with him on this hand.

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Yikes.

C/r all in over a better and a raiser is much different than c/r all in over a continuation bet.

Way to win that coinflip.

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etizzle · #22 11-03-2005, 06:16 PM

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that call is very bad btw, even vs banzan.

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FYP

punter11235 · #23 11-03-2005, 06:39 PM

Banzan may be aggressive but hes not stupid. I would fold this. Even if you are favourite its not big edge and if you are behind you are dead. I think Banzan knows that its difficult to push sb around on 2tone boards.

Best wishes

MaGi · #24 11-03-2005, 06:52 PM

if I were the one betting would you instacall? i dont think it would have mattered

tewall · #25 11-03-2005, 07:24 PM

I think you're considering the problem the way it needs to be looked at.

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20% smaller overpair, big edge to you
40% big draw, 50/50
40% made hand, big edge to him

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I think this is too pessimistic. The all-in dude has been described as someone who will go all-in with any excuse. So possibilities that come to mind are:

a)Made hand that has you crushed (e.g. set; about 4 to 1)
b)Made hand that's a favorite (e.g.. 2 pair; about 3 to 2)
c)Made hand you have beat (e.g. top pair; about 1 to 2)
d)Nothing (e.g. 2 overcards with no draw; about 1 to 4)
e)Big draw, coin flip

I really doubt a) and b) would come up to 40%. Given that he will go in with any excuse, I'd think 20% would be closer. My guess is you'd be a decent favorite, maybe 3 to 2, by the time you put it all together. When you add in the dead money already in the pot, it makes it an easy call.