PP $30 - late stages, KQ

[illegit]

Hand converter still isn't working. 2 part question: how's my line? and what's my river play?

14 players left. Table has been playing rather tightly, very few flops have been seen recently and whoever open-raises has mostly been taking down the pot.

***** Hand History for Game 2907889588 *****
NL Texas Hold'em Trny:16742930 Level:19 Blinds (5000/10000) - Friday, October 21, 01:04:43 EDT 2005
Table Multi-Table(491760) Table #2 (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 7
Seat 1: I_M_BLUFFMAN ( $72168 )
Seat 3: ILLSHOW ( $28006 )
Seat 4: chompers13 ( $173576 )
Seat 6: IAmPaulAllen ( $115236 )
Seat 7: mntiger ( $113545 )
Seat 8: illegit ( $126684 )
Seat 2: rumma ( $153912 )
Trny:16742930 Level:19
Blinds (5000/10000)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to illegit [ Kd Qh ]
mntiger folds.
illegit raises [25100].
I_M_BLUFFMAN folds.
rumma folds.
ILLSHOW folds.
chompers13 calls [20100].
IAmPaulAllen folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 4s, As, Qc ]
chompers13 checks.
illegit checks.
** Dealing Turn ** [ 4c ]
chompers13 checks.
illegit checks.
** Dealing River ** [ 3c ]
chompers13 bets [32000].
illegit ????????????

[rockythecat99]

Kicks himself for not betting the flop or turn and folds.

[illegit]

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Kicks himself for not betting the flop or turn and folds.

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Really? If I bet the flop (probably about the same amount he bets on the end) any hand i beat folds in a flash, any hand that beats me raises or calls and I'm done with the hand in either case. If he has seen my passive play on the flop and turn I've now induced a bluff out of the hands I beat (JJ-88), and lost the same amount I would have if I was beat and had bet the flop initially.

[rockythecat99]

Yeah but now you don't know where you are at. Personally I would rather bet the flop represent the Ace and end it right there. He calls you shut down and realize you are behind since the table has been playing very tightly. Now he throws this huge bet at you and you don't know where you are at. If you had the ace it would be different. Now it would be correct to get those hands to induce a bluff. And ot induce a bluff I would want to have a great read on villain since all of a sudden he is turning aggro on me on a tight final table bubble situation??? That is my fishy opinion take it with a grain of salt.

[betgo]

I see the point of not betting when you are not sure where you are at. However, you gave villain two free cards. He could have made a flush or boat. I would call the river bet. If you are going to take this check it down approach, villain is likely to bet whether or not he has something.

[illegit]

Given how the table had been playing I put him on a range that mostly consisted of Ax or a pocket pair, meaning if he did make a flush it was most likely with a hand that was already beating mine.

On the flop he could be checking a huge range of hands, he'd probably check if he hit hard or if he was scared by the flop. WA/WB, thus I'm not really worried about giving free ones. On the turn I interpret the check to mean a pocket pair lower than queens or a slowplayed monster. The river is either the monster waking up for value, or him smelling weakness in response to my consecutive checks as a chance to steal the pot. Getting 3-1 on the end I think he bets a hand worse than mine plenty often to call here.

He shows QQ and wins the pot.

I thought it was somewhat likely he had AT, or AJ and was unsure of his kicker until the river where he finally had confidence in it, but it was just as likely he had JJ or TT. QQ wasn't really even a consideration as i would expect a preflop re-raise.