BITCH PLEASE. PARTY20. BLIND VS BLIND.

[surfdoc]

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seems typical over about 10 hands.

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This part intrigues me.

[flawless_victory]

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seems typical over about 10 hands.

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This part intrigues me.

[/ QUOTE ]hmm... maybe you are stupid?

[NLSoldier]

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I was with you till the turn 3bet...

Its something I would never do, maybe just cuz I am a pussy.
I agree he can have a pretty wide range here, but I just feel like this is spewing.

I suck at pokerstove, can someone tell us how we are doing vs a rang of AK/AQ, any PP (other than 44,66,77) Any 2 broadway hearts, Q9,K9,A9,Q8,K8,A8, JTo,JTs. Am I missing anything or would you agree this is probably his range flawless vic?

[/ QUOTE ]basically, based on his timing and the board texture, i felt it was very likely that turn card helped him... look at all those draws (you left out any hand that contains a 7 or 6)... i did think there may have made a pair of 8s, but i didnt think he could punish me any further with that hand.

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I left out hands with at 7 or 6 cuz I dont see him 3betting with many of those, nor raising the turn with them Maaaybe like Th7h but I think thats a stretch.

Going by my original range...I came up with 52 hands we are ahead of, and 42 we are behind. Which means on the turn we are winning about 55% of the time. But of the times he is behind, he will improve an average of about 20%, and of the times we are behind, we only improve about 4%, and we dont have the 3H, so we could improve and still lose.

Unless his range is signifigantly different than what I have given him (maybe due to bet timing?), or unless this move has huge metagame effects, I dont see how it can possibly be +EV given the calculations I just did.

[tongni]

Nah. You lose one extra bet when he makes his draw, and don't really gain anything. The chance of him giving up is very very low on the river. I don't see how you can think he will give up on the river with a missed draw, but expect to gain value from inducing a bluff on the river after your 3bet on the turn. These two statements are contradictory. Save this for when he has a weak made hand that he wants to showdown for free. Any weak hand he has here is probably crushing you.

[baronzeus]

this is very similar to my HU hand with stinkypete.

i like it.

[flawless_victory]

he will almost never have an overpair and he will have TP evn less.

[NLSoldier]

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he will almost never have an overpair and he will have TP evn less.

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Because he would raise the flop with those? Hoping you will go off for multiple bets at some point? I thought about that and I think I agree. Fastplaying is the new slowplaying and slow playing is now a weak line.

[flawless_victory]

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he will almost never have an overpair and he will have TP evn less.

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Because he would raise the flop with those? Hoping you will go off for multiple bets at some point? I thought about that and I think I agree. Fastplaying is the new slowplaying and slow playing is now a weak line.

[/ QUOTE ]look at that flop... mediocre/typical party SH players alwaysalwaysalways raise the flop w/ a nine.
i had him on draw/8/Ahigh/set. thats it.

[jason_t]

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this is very similar to my HU hand with stinkypete.

i like it.

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Even if that hand was correct that doesn't mean it applies here since there is so so so much metagame going on in HU matches.

[NLSoldier]

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he will almost never have an overpair and he will have TP evn less.

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Because he would raise the flop with those? Hoping you will go off for multiple bets at some point? I thought about that and I think I agree. Fastplaying is the new slowplaying and slow playing is now a weak line.

[/ QUOTE ]look at that flop... mediocre/typical party SH players alwaysalwaysalways raise the flop w/ a nine.
i had him on draw/8/Ahigh/set. thats it.

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And if you think hes popping the flop with a 9, then also TT and JJ Im assuming...but what about QQ-AA?