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Old 09-20-2005, 10:50 PM
crunchy1 crunchy1 is offline
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Default Stop\'N\'Go

No Read on MP3 Villian - he just sat down.

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Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. MP3 posts a blind of $2.
<font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, MP2 calls, MP3 (poster) checks, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (5 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP2 folds, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 raises</font>, Button folds, SB folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (4.50 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>

Good or Bad?
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Old 09-20-2005, 10:51 PM
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Default Re: Stop\'N\'Go

I think good

Why didn't you raise pre-flop?
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Old 09-20-2005, 10:52 PM
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Default Re: Stop\'N\'Go

thats probly how id play it
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Old 09-20-2005, 10:55 PM
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Default Re: Stop\'N\'Go

What was your plan if the turn card wasn't so helpful?
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Old 09-20-2005, 11:01 PM
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Default Re: Stop\'N\'Go

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I think good
Why didn't you raise pre-flop?

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Because, in spite of a probable equity advantage things are going to change greatly one way or the other on the flop and I'm out of position against 4 players. Since I'm already in I'm content to see a flop and then decide how to best protect (or get value from) my hand in what's already getting to be a decent-sized pot.

Basically, not raising PF leaves me the option to checkraise the flop if I so choose. On this flop, with the board paired, a 2-flush, and likely the best hand I thought leading out with what is probably large equity advantage was the best way to go.
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Old 09-20-2005, 11:04 PM
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Default Re: Stop\'N\'Go

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What was your plan if the turn card wasn't so helpful?

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HU - check/call the turn; bet/fold the river. I'm not losing that much if he checks behind with a flush draw. Even so, I'm not too worried about him checking behind because it's HU and most players will bet that flush draw again hoping to fold me out. I want to get one BB in on each of the turn and river but I think I can safely fold most river cards if he raises.
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Old 09-20-2005, 11:23 PM
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Old 09-20-2005, 11:41 PM
sy_or_bust sy_or_bust is offline
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Default Re: Stop\'N\'Go

I've started to raise this preflop, and I think you should too.
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Old 09-20-2005, 11:50 PM
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i guess i will go against the grain here and disagree.

according to poker stove, your gonna win this hand a third of the time against 3 other 25vpip players. unless you hate money, raise. this raise is profitable (and dont think you give up the option to check raise because you raised preflop)

i really dont think your opponent has a 6. i dont think that many players would raise a 6 on the flop and force ppl out of the hand. he either has a flsuh draw or an ace most of the time. why not 3 bet the flop?

i run my share of stop and go's. they are highly effective in the right situations. but normally i run them when i am weak. i can fold to a raise (assuming my opponent is not a lag). and unless he is a calling station he will need a hand to call my bet. (stopngo;s work very well against tags, it puts them in a bad spot).

when you lead this turn, he will fold weaker hands that he may bluff with. i think since you played the flop the way you did, you should now go for a check raise. he will bet a 6 or a flush draw.
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Old 09-20-2005, 11:53 PM
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you stated that you are really not losing that much if he has aflush draw and check through on the turn.

i have to disagree again. this is why i say to 3 bet the flop and lead the turn.
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