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Old 08-03-2005, 09:18 AM
MRBAA MRBAA is offline
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Default Re: Hand from a tough session - advice?

Raising is not awful. Calling is my usual play (depending on situation and if I feel I'm playing too predictably) because despite the strength of this hand, the two dead hearts mean I will likely fold if I brick fourth. I don't want to get tied on here. With all hearts live, I'd be more likely to raise since I'm going to call a single bet on fourth even if I brick.
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Old 08-03-2005, 09:20 AM
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his most likely hands are approximately 50-50 against our hand, some are worse, and very few have us in bad shape

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There are very very few that are in worse shape than 50-50. Most of his hands will have us playing this hand as a small dog 45/55 or 40/60 (if heads up).

There isn't enough money in antes / BI to try to isolate this guy.

I'm not sure your right that you want to play a monster pot multiway with this hand. If you raise and subsequently 3-bet, and then the 9 calls or caps your hand is gonna suck. You'll have a deadish flush draw with likely dead highcards.

Also if you raise and you only play the 9 those percentage that you discount will become very important.

I think raising would be fine in a game with a bigger ante.
I think raising would be fine with 1 fewer dead [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

What happens if the 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] that limped also has a 3 flush? Now pouring money in doesn't look so great.


I wouldn't mind a raise. But I wouldn't make it from this position.
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Old 08-03-2005, 09:21 AM
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your play is too predictable

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Sad fact of the structure.


Not to mention making a raise here for "predictability" reasons is bad. You'll get dealt an Ace high 3-flush with 2 broadway side cards once every 920 hands. 920!!!

I don't care if you do something like this once every 900 hands. And neither will your opponents.
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Old 08-03-2005, 09:44 AM
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Default Re: Hand from a tough session - advice?

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Anyone else want to opine on this situation?

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New word? Did you pick it up from AndyB earlier?

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Actually I got it from Bill O'Reilly (he may be pompus, but he has a good vocabulary)
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Old 08-03-2005, 11:21 AM
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Default Re: Hand from a tough session - advice?

Well, with a 3 flush you are more likely to make 2 pair, than a 3 flush. With three live high cards and 2 dead flush cards, it seems reasonable that you would want to raise and hope to catch a high card or something like that.

However, the small antes do make raising a less attractive option.
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Old 08-03-2005, 01:50 PM
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I agree that 3rd street should be a reraise.

For 4th street, if the hands were random I'd say a clear call because the EVs are split and you are still the favorite to scoop. However, you red flag should be the reaise from the 9. What doesn that say? A pair of 9s at least? A three straight that is now a 4 straigt? A little opponent knowledge would be good here but a fold is definitely called for if you think they have a pair of at least 7s or a 4 straight as that would put you last in the pack.
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Old 08-03-2005, 02:41 PM
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Default Re: Hand from a tough session - advice?

I am still stubborn/arrogent in thinking that there is no reason to raise 3rd here, can you please give me your reasoning for putting in the 3rd bet?

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are still the favorite to scoop

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I think this is just a confusing choice of words, but I should point out to you just in case this is stud hi, where every hand is a scoop [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]
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Old 08-03-2005, 02:45 PM
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Sorry was totally in Stud8 world. Ignore my post.
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Old 08-04-2005, 09:24 AM
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Seat 4 rivered a 6 for a full house - 6's and 3's. Seat 6 won the pot with a full house 10's and 2's. The hand history showed that he had pocket 10's to start. The history could have been shuffled, but his play does make sense if he had the tens to start.
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Old 08-04-2005, 09:51 AM
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Seat 4 rivered a 6 for a full house - 6's and 3's

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rather, he rivered a 3 for 3s full?
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