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#1
07-13-2005, 03:49 AM
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Ever give credit for quads (when holding second nuts)?
PartyPoker NL50 (10 handed)
Hero is BB with A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]10 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] and has $41.20 MP has $22.35 Villain has us both covered with $47.15 Pre-flop Folds to MP who min raises to $1, Villain calls, Hero calls. Flop 9 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]3 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] checks around Turn A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Hero bets $0.50 Villain raises to $3 Hero calls River 9 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Hero bets $5 Villain raises all-in Hero??? and yes I know AA would be the second nuts... 
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#2
07-13-2005, 04:04 AM
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Re: Ever give credit for quads (when holding second nuts)?
Why bet the river here? Villain is not calling without an ace or a nine, so you're splitting or losing. I think I'd check-call a small bet, and might fold to a huge overbet.
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#3
07-13-2005, 08:40 AM
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Re: Ever give credit for quads (when holding second nuts)?
I might not give credit for quads if there were only two cards of my concern (i.e., he would need the PP for quads), but only needing one card? Yeah, I def. would consider that he happens to have that one card.
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#4
07-13-2005, 11:18 AM
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Re: Ever give credit for quads (when holding second nuts)?
if I have QQ
and flop comes Q T T I do NOT give credit for quads - all my money is going in the middle if someone goes all-in if I have QQ and flop comes KKQ, then I become wary of KQ beating me and may lay it down, but I do not give him credit for KK and I agree with the other posters that yes, I give him credit for quads IF the other 3 cards of that rank are out there
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#5
07-13-2005, 11:52 AM
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Re: Ever give credit for quads (when holding second nuts)?
yes, once. i had JJ and he had TT
the flop was J 3 3. turn and river were T, T. after he put in a 4th raise on the end, i realized he didnt have JT or AT, and had flopped 3's or hit T's. of course i called
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#6
07-13-2005, 11:56 AM
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Re: Ever give credit for quads (when holding second nuts)?
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Why bet the river here? Villain is not calling without an ace or a nine, so you're splitting or losing. I think I'd check-call a small bet, and might fold to a huge overbet. [/ QUOTE ] By betting on the river, he at least gave himself a chance to get away from the hand. If he checks, and Villian bets big, then he's in a tough spot. Betting 5 allowed him to get away from this hand cheaply in my opinion...
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#10
07-13-2005, 12:04 PM
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Re: Ever give credit for quads (when holding second nuts)?
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] Why bet the river here? Villain is not calling without an ace or a nine, so you're splitting or losing. I think I'd check-call a small bet, and might fold to a huge overbet. [/ QUOTE ] By betting on the river, he at least gave himself a chance to get away from the hand. If he checks, and Villian bets big, then he's in a tough spot. Betting 5 allowed him to get away from this hand cheaply in my opinion... [/ QUOTE ] Didn't Hero make the hand difficult for himself when he probe-bet the turn? Wouldnt it have been better to put out a more reasonable bet, say $2.00? Isn't villan's only real response to the probe-bet a pot-sized raise, which is what he did? I really have trouble with the tiny little bet on the turn.
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