I might fold too much

[rory]

Yeah-- I wasn't too confident about MPs value betting skills so I went for the sure thing.

[wheelz]

He has the nut backdoor flush draw, there aren't any reverse implied odds there

[ckessel]

I don't get it, why would you call that flop? You're getting great odds, but you've got almost nothing except backdoor draws. Your ace would seem very likely dominated even if it came costing you more when dominated than you'd likely gain when you aren't.

Then the turn you've got 9:1 on the gutshot, which is maybe barely sufficient counting implied odds and that's assuming you never split the pot.

[Grisgra]

Yeah, the flop call is one of those that if you are playing fast or 4-tabling you might miss. I think it's marginal but a tiny bit +EV. Whatshisnuts's how-many-outs analysis is accurate IMO. Turn call is obviously good. I don't go for the river checkraise without reads, because a 4-straight, even a backdoor one, will freeze up a lot of people.

[Bluffoon]

He still has to pay again to draw on the turn. Doesn't that lower the effective odds? Maybe I don't understand the concept.

[rory]

This analysis is why I called. It is pretty basic stuff, you don't even have to know anything about poker to do it. Just math. But it was foreign to me to make this call. A big wake-up call about not playing fast and autopiloting. I still have leaks in basic poker strategy in my game and I only caught this one because I've been making an effort to slow down. I wonder how many other obvious things have been going on that I have been missing?

[Danenania]

I like every street. Heads-up I would go for a river c/r but with that additional opponent around betting out is better.

[Noodles]

Counting in having to call again on the turn is effective odds,doesnt count here as he doesnt HAVE to go to the river.

Reverse implied is when you are in a early positon with players yet to call behind you,you have to factor in that they could raise, he is in 2nd last here i think

Actually if he was in 2nd position here i might fold

[Noodles]

with 2 to call the flop behind him ,would he still call having to weigh in the chance of a raise behind him maybe and then even a reraise from pfr?
id probably fold if i was in mp here,correct?