Straight forward stats question

[imported_CaseClosed326]

Is it possible to beat the PS 2/4 6max or any 6max game for that matter with a VP$IP of ~19?

I used to be too loose so I tried to tighten up for a while, but now I think I am way too tight. I don't how much of a problem this is, if it a problem at all. Thanks ahead of time.

[waffle]

I'm not familiar with the PS 2/4 games, but I strongly suspect a VPIP of 19% does not preclude you from being a winning player.

[einbert]

Is it possible to have a positive expectation and be that tight?
Sure.

Is it optimal?
No way.

[Wynton]

I am doing pretty well at ps 2/4 with a VP$P somewhere around 21% (last time I checked). I have no doubt that you can win with a VP$P at 19%.

In fact, my personal view is that it's much easier to win at those tables with that kind of VP$P than one much higher (i.e., over 25%).

[reb]

iirc i played 2/4 and 3/6 SH with a vpip of 19-20~. I was a very marginal winner and it helped a lot when i loosened up. Sure it's possible to win being that tight but it's nowhere near optimal.

[Silverback]

If your playing your playing your blinds correctly, (not to tight) and you are paying attention to some blind stealing then you should be ok and also have the advantage that with less action on your tables you can play more tables at the same time.

[imported_CaseClosed326]

I see that I need to loosen up a bit. I will try that over my next few sessions and post a couple of hands that I would usualy fold to see if it is +EV to play them.

[Benman]

If you're to my left, I'll note your 19% and steal against you much more often than I would normally. One of two things will have to happen then:
1) You'll have to loosen up considerably, or
2) You won't have a positive expectation at all in that game, in my opinion.

Really, most of the loosening up from full ring games to shorthanded comes in stealing and defending. You just aren't doing enough of either at 19% to be really successful.

[gronmo]

I think you can do much better than just being a marginal winner even with quite a low VPIP. Take a look at Peter_rus post comparing his 28 vpip 17% pfr and a 20 vpip 13% raise.
Peter rus stat comparison

Both players have very similar win rates (4.01 bb/100 vs 3.59 bb/100) at party 5/10.

[Wynton]

Thanks for posting that link. I hadn't seen it before. Seems like pretty good evidence that different styles can work.