River Decision

MrFeelNothin · #1 04-27-2005, 01:38 AM

Hi all, I was wondering what you all thought of this one:
Party PL$1000, 6max

I usually play limit, but I was following a big fish. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

Villain in the hand is a little loose, but fairly straightforward.

Party Poker Pot-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 6 handed) converter

saw flop|saw showdown

UTG :#A500AF(Villian)/ ($2868.21)
MP ($1989.37)
Hero ($1412.87)
Button ($323)
SB ($1093.26)
BB ($1834)

Preflop: Hero is CO with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $5.
UTG :#A500AF(Villian)/ calls $10, 1 fold, Hero raises to $35, 2 folds, BB calls $25, UTG :#A500AF(Villian)/ calls $25.

Flop: ($110) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, Villian checks, Hero bets $108, BB folds, Villian calls $108.

Turn: ($326) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Villian checks, Hero checks.

River: ($326) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Villian bets $250, Hero ?

radioheadfan · #2 04-27-2005, 02:09 AM

He has an ace.

MrFeelNothin · #3 04-27-2005, 02:59 AM

You dont think a missed lone diamond hand is betting this river every time?

freemoney · #4 04-27-2005, 03:00 AM

no it looks alot like you are trying to manage the pot here i mean sometimes you will be ahead but if it is your default in any way to call here thats real -EV imo

MrFeelNothin · #5 04-27-2005, 06:08 AM

Its not necessarily default, but I often am able to snap off bluffs from draws on the river when I check mediocre hands on the turn, some similar examples:

Party Poker Pot-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (6 max, 6 handed) converter

Button ($515)
SB ($415.7)
Hero ($1777.14)
UTG ($618.25)
MP ($1980.32)
CO ($385)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $3.
1 fold, MP calls $6, CO calls $6, 1 fold, SB (poster) completes, Hero checks.

Flop: ($24) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $15, MP folds, CO calls $15, SB folds.

Turn: ($54) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks.

River: ($54) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $52, Hero calls $52.

Final Pot: $158

Results in white below: 
Hero has 3c Qh (one pair, queens).
CO has 2s Js (high card, king).
Outcome: Hero wins $158. 

Party Poker Pot-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (6 max, 6 handed) converter

Button ($838)
SB ($296.64)
Hero ($831.9)
UTG ($519)
MP ($1845.52)
CO ($128.4)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $3.
3 folds, Button raises to $12, SB (poster) calls $9, Hero calls $6.

Flop: ($36) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, Button bets $34.2, SB folds, Hero calls $34.20.

Turn: ($104.40) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks.

River: ($104.40) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $102.4, Hero calls $102.40.

Final Pot: $309.20

Results in white below: 
Hero has 9s Qs (two pair, jacks and nines).
Button has Ts Ad (one pair, jacks).
Outcome: Hero wins $309.20. 

(player in hand 2 didnt like to fold, I felt like I likely had 7+ outs on the flop and I could extract A LOT if I hit straight.)

Anyways, in the original hand I checked the turn cuz I didn't want to get checkraised and have to fold a hand with likely a lot of outs. However I was planning on calling a river bet if the river was below a 10, as my line looked very weak and bluffable. I didn't feel like his line was an A at all, at the time I just put him on missed diamonds and was fairly sure.

I did call and he had Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]10[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] and MHIG.

However, I did not post it here cuz I thought I made a great play. I posted it because I was ridiculed in the chat afterwards, and looking back on the hand it seemed to be my most controversial play of the nite. (well other than the other hand I posted which I KNEW was played badly even as I played it. grrrrrrr.)

With you two both saying that my river call was -EV, then it probably was, I guess I just got lucky here.

Thanks for the criticism, I have been running extremely hot recently, but I know my game needs a lot of improvement.