Marginal Hand #3 Bad call here?

[grjr]

In this hand I think most people see the flop but maybe I'm wrong--we'll see. It gets a little dicey after that. Same as before. What would you do and why?

No reads on anyone here so assume an average Party table.

Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is SB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP3 calls, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, Button calls, Hero ??

[MrWookie47]

I think this call is better than your last one. As long as I'm in the business of feeling dirty but making more money, I think this is a call.

[gvibes]

getting ~6:1, I think it's close.

I think I would want more limper to play that hand OOP. I think a lot of people will tell you it's a call, however.

[Entity]

This is a really easy call if BB is loose, and a relatively easy call otherwise. 6:1 is plenty for me to call here.

[Zoelef]

5-1 to call is cutting it close, but I think you can call this here. I suppose the flop tells all...

[Entity]

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5-1 to call is cutting it close, but I think you can call this here. I suppose the flop tells all...

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It's not 5:1. It's 9.5:1.5 if BB doesn't call and 10.5:1.5 if he does (the other donks aren't folding here often enough for it to be much of a consideration, though a slight discount for the 1-3% of LRR's you see is worthwhile).

Rob

[FlopMe]

I fold here but I've been told my VP$IP is too low.

The reason I fold is because I really don't want to play 10-8 soooted out of position especially when it's been raised pre-flop.

If there's no raise, I will always complete from the SB with at least one limper. If it's folded to me in the SB, I fold and unckeck the "Auto-Post Blinds" button and leave after the next orbit.

[grjr]

Obviously I called preflop or this would be pretty boring. Here's the flop.

Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is SB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP3 calls, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, Button calls, Hero calls, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: (12 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font>
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP3 checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets</font>, Button folds, Hero ??

[MrWookie47]

Calls.

13:1 on a gutshot + BDFD = good enough.

Edited for typo.

[FlopMe]

If I accidentally called pre-flop I'd have to call here too getting 13-1.