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#11
12-22-2005, 07:14 PM
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Re: Keeping the Lead in the Blinds
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The only other random paired cards that we beat and will call are weak tens and fives. [/ QUOTE ] we beat no tens. i check call this river. there are plenty of missed straights or turned flush draws that he can bluff with. 
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#12
12-22-2005, 07:40 PM
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Re: Keeping the Lead in the Blinds
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When you say Ace high, you mean something like K9 that counts as A-high because of the Ace on board? [/ QUOTE ] yup. should have been more specific, but many good high cards hands will call here. [ QUOTE ] Meanwhile any A, 8, or good T is beating us. So do low PPs, weak Ts, and 5s really outnumber As, strong Ts, or 8s here? My guess is no because a 5 seems so unlikely. I say check/call the river. [/ QUOTE ] while its true that many aces are beating us, I'd say we can pretty comfortably rule out AK-AT, A8, and most overpairs - as they would have found a raise waaaay before the river. probably preflop or on the flop. that's 1/4 of the aces right there. the only one pair tens that beat us are QT and KT. Two pair tens either raise that flop or that turn. An 8 improved on the turn, so it couldn't have raised pf or on the flop without another piece. I usually see an immediate turn raise, but a river raise is not unreasonable. so when its our turn on the river we're likely up against -the lower 3/4 of the ace range -the upper half of the eight range (as 83o probably folds pf) -the middle 3/4 of the ten range (as big tens will raise pf or on the flop, and crap ten probably fold pf) -a pp 99 or lower -some crap king high hand that's looking us up -a busted draw (like 79[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]) that will probably fold I think the portion of that range that both calls and would check through if we gave it a chance is significant enough that we have to bet it. I also hate calling the raise, because the river is the blank of all blanks and it stinks of a slowplayed turn. people play poker so they can call. Give them a bet to call with. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]
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#14
12-22-2005, 07:57 PM
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Re: Keeping the Lead in the Blinds
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[ QUOTE ] we beat no tens. [/ QUOTE ] we kick the hell out of T9, T7, T6, T5. I've seen all of these and more called out of the bb when the sb opens. [/ QUOTE ] Or we would if the board wasn't paired or the A didn't play [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]
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#15
12-22-2005, 08:00 PM
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Re: Keeping the Lead in the Blinds
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[ QUOTE ] we beat no tens. [/ QUOTE ] we kick the hell out of T9, T7, T6, T5. I've seen all of these and more called out of the bb when the sb opens. [/ QUOTE ] Dude can u read? I think most of your advice in this thread is poor. I am in the c/c camp here. If opponent is a horrible calling station, then bet, but if he's not, then i would c/c. I don't know what the typical unknown is at 1/2, so perhaps b/f is better.
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#16
12-22-2005, 08:37 PM
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Re: Keeping the Lead in the Blinds
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-the lower 3/4 of the ace range -the upper half of the eight range (as 83o probably folds pf) -the middle 3/4 of the ten range (as big tens will raise pf or on the flop, and crap ten probably fold pf) -a pp 99 or lower -some crap king high hand that's looking us up -a busted draw (like 79[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]) that will probably fold [/ QUOTE ] 1. no value in a bet, small possibility of a raise 2. no value in a bet, high possibility of a raise 3. no value in a bet (the Ace plays as the 5th card) 4. there is value in a bet here 5. possibly some value here, this depends a lot on your image, his image, previous hands, etc. 6. but may bet when we check!
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