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Old 12-17-2005, 04:18 PM
hemstock hemstock is offline
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Default Re: 38.25BB pot, KQs in the BB, or Let\'s play \"SPOT THE MISTAKES\"

I don't think there a huge mistake anywhere. Propably like others said the preflop cap is a little too much, but other than that, you played it fine.
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Old 12-17-2005, 04:19 PM
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Default Re: 38.25BB pot, KQs in the BB, or Let\'s play \"SPOT THE MISTAKES\"

3 outs is 14.3 to 1. + Maybe .25 outs for each overcard, that's an easy call IMO.
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Old 12-17-2005, 04:24 PM
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... a gutshot...

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not really
but we do have 3 outs so I think it is a call getting 10:1

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ugh i suck today (and yesterday). where's your avatar?
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Old 12-17-2005, 04:30 PM
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Default Re: 38.25BB pot, KQs in the BB, or Let\'s play \"SPOT THE MISTAKES\"

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With 3 outs we need 16:1.

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ok, I'm stupid too. I reverse my reversal and stick with ck/fold.
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Old 12-17-2005, 06:47 PM
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Default Re: 38.25BB pot, KQs in the BB, or Let\'s play \"SPOT THE MISTAKES\"

2 things:

1. Am I not winning more than my share against 4 opponents here? That would indicate a preflop cap...When would you cap this because of a preflop equity edge? I remember something like this in SSH where it was suggested you should cap with AJs against 4 or 5 opponents because your preflop equity edge is great. KQs in a 6 handed game seems to be similar. I'm fully expecting to be wrong, I'd just like to hear a bit more about it.

2. The button had a HEARTBREAKER - AJ of diamonds [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]
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Old 12-17-2005, 07:01 PM
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Default Re: 38.25BB pot, KQs in the BB, or Let\'s play \"SPOT THE MISTAKES\"

The cap is +EV w/ the cold callers coming along, although it's also an extreamly high variance play, but nonetheless +EV.
But, you have to fold the flop.
The rest looks fine.
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Old 12-17-2005, 07:06 PM
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Default Re: 38.25BB pot, KQs in the BB, or Let\'s play \"SPOT THE MISTAKES\"

The flop is all a little bit 'Barron Vangor Toth' for me. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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Old 12-17-2005, 07:06 PM
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Default Re: 38.25BB pot, KQs in the BB, or Let\'s play \"SPOT THE MISTAKES\"

I don't know how you can claim it is +EV. UTG is a tight-aggressive player. MP and Button we know nothing about. CO is a fish so we have an edge against him anyway, but there is no way there is enough info to just assume this is +EV.
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Old 12-17-2005, 08:29 PM
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Default Re: 38.25BB pot, KQs in the BB, or Let\'s play \"SPOT THE MISTAKES\"

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I remember something like this in SSH where it was suggested you should cap with AJs against 4 or 5 opponents because your preflop equity edge is great. KQs in a 6 handed game seems to be similar.

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I just don't think it's similar enough though.
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Old 12-17-2005, 11:26 PM
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Default Re: 38.25BB pot, KQs in the BB, or Let\'s play \"SPOT THE MISTAKES\"

The mistakes I spotted are:
Raising preflop instead of calling.
Flop is probably OK since the pot is so big.
Going for a checkraise on the river instead of betting and just calling a raise.
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