Two Plus Two Older Archives  

Go Back   Two Plus Two Older Archives > PL/NL Texas Hold'em > Medium-Stakes Pot-, No-Limit Hold'em

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 12-06-2005, 06:43 PM
scdavis0 scdavis0 is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Posts: 4
Default Two overpair hands -- two turn c/r all ins

I apologize if these are excessively standard. I just want a little check-up.

The basic idea is these games are pretty aggro and they'll bet a lot more hands then they will call with on the turn. If the boards were dry I would check/call and block the river, but there is far too good of a chance that I am ahead and the pot is large.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (6 max, 5 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

MP ($169.96)
Button ($52.80)
SB ($198.90)
Hero ($212.35)
UTG ($300.66)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $1.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP calls $2, Button calls $2, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $10</font>, MP calls $10, Button calls $10.

Flop: ($37) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $35</font>, MP calls $35, Button folds.

Turn: ($107) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP bets $75</font>, Hero bets $165.35 (All-In)

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

CO ($199.50)
Button ($399.82)
SB ($198)
BB ($113.50)
Hero ($200)
MP ($305.26)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $1.
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $7</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Button calls $7, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>.

Flop: ($17) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $16</font>, Button calls $16.

Turn: ($49) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets $46.55</font>, Hero bets $177 (All-In)
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 12-06-2005, 06:47 PM
xorbie xorbie is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 1,828
Default Re: Two overpair hands -- two turn c/r all ins

Second hand looks better than the first, because the flop is so much more draw heavy and so much less believable that you have anything.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 12-06-2005, 06:55 PM
scdavis0 scdavis0 is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Posts: 4
Default Re: Two overpair hands -- two turn c/r all ins

xorbie,

Are you check-folding the turn in hand 1 barring a read?

I even have 6 outs against a hand like 77 and even more against some two pair hand (and given the open limp from MP, a set seems unlikely).
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 12-06-2005, 07:03 PM
xorbie xorbie is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 1,828
Default Re: Two overpair hands -- two turn c/r all ins

[ QUOTE ]

Are you check-folding the turn in hand 1 barring a read?


[/ QUOTE ]

No, that sounds pretty atrocious. I just don't think I would check raise.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 12-06-2005, 07:06 PM
scdavis0 scdavis0 is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Posts: 4
Default Re: Two overpair hands -- two turn c/r all ins

check calling leaves over $250 in the pot on the river with effective stacks of $50!

are you advocating a weakish lead/fold to raise line? this is kinda gross given how many outs i may have (12 against something like T9)
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 12-06-2005, 07:10 PM
xorbie xorbie is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 1,828
Default Re: Two overpair hands -- two turn c/r all ins

I would probably bet 2/3 pot.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 12-06-2005, 07:15 PM
scdavis0 scdavis0 is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Posts: 4
Default Re: Two overpair hands -- two turn c/r all ins

I can't see how this is a better line given that I can't fold to a raise all-in getting over 6 to 1 if he pushes, AND he'll almost certainly BET more hands than he will CALL a basically all-in bet with.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 12-06-2005, 11:13 PM
xorbie xorbie is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 1,828
Default Re: Two overpair hands -- two turn c/r all ins

[ QUOTE ]

I can't see how this is a better line given that I can't fold to a raise all-in getting over 6 to 1 if he pushes, AND he'll almost certainly BET more hands than he will CALL a basically all-in bet with.

[/ QUOTE ]

You sure about that?
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 12-06-2005, 11:21 PM
Ghazban Ghazban is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Boston, MA
Posts: 1
Default Re: Two overpair hands -- two turn c/r all ins

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]

I can't see how this is a better line given that I can't fold to a raise all-in getting over 6 to 1 if he pushes, AND he'll almost certainly BET more hands than he will CALL a basically all-in bet with.

[/ QUOTE ]

You sure about that?

[/ QUOTE ]
I'm not, but I'm sure I'd hate for the turn to get checked through on this board unless the poker gods have already promised me a river card that makes my play there easy.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 12-07-2005, 01:46 AM
scdavis0 scdavis0 is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Posts: 4
Default Re: Two overpair hands -- two turn c/r all ins

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]

I can't see how this is a better line given that I can't fold to a raise all-in getting over 6 to 1 if he pushes, AND he'll almost certainly BET more hands than he will CALL a basically all-in bet with.

[/ QUOTE ]



You sure about that?

[/ QUOTE ]

Um.. yes I am.. I'd love to hear an explanation why betting is better than checking.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 10:53 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.