River Hand #2

crunchy1 · #1 10-17-2005, 09:18 AM

The game is really good!! All villians in this hands are loose/passive.

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Preflop: Hero is CO with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. MP1 posts a blind of $2.
1 fold, UTG+1 raises, UTG+2 calls, MP1 (poster) calls, MP2 calls, 1 fold, Hero 3-bets, 2 folds, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (18.50 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 players)
BB bets, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (11.25 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, MP1 checks, MP2 checks, Hero bets, BB calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls.

River: (15.25 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, MP1 checks, MP2 checks, Hero...

Check behind or value bet?

@bsolute_luck · #2 10-17-2005, 09:23 AM

the trouble i have with this river is a Jack might raise too so i'd hate to fold to a c/r, but i guess Loose/passive wouldn't do this [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

my answer: i typically bet/fold here.

newhizzle · #3 10-17-2005, 09:26 AM

i would have raised the flop, but i understand why you didnt

BB's bet then check does look a lot like a flush draw, but if we are ahead we are possibly missing 3 bets by checking, with everyone being passive you can easily fold to a raise, so i think i bet here too

Nick Royale · #4 10-17-2005, 09:39 AM

I raise the flop and bet the river every time.

ErrantNight · #5 10-17-2005, 10:32 AM

value bet.

i'd raise the flop, too, but whatevs.

QTip · #6 10-17-2005, 10:43 AM

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crunchy1 · #7 10-17-2005, 10:56 AM

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I raise the flop and bet the river every time.

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My plan, given that the flop bet came from the 1st-to-act, was to hopefully trap the field for 2BBs on the turn - rather than 2SBs on the flop. I don't think I like that line, in hindsight, given the player types sitting to my right.

I really hate my river check (should have been a bet/fold) - which is why I posted this hand.

Nick Royale · #8 10-17-2005, 11:02 AM

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My plan, given that the flop bet came from the 1st-to-act, was to hopefully trap the field for 2BBs on the turn - rather than 2SBs on the flop. I don't think I like that line, in hindsight, given the player types sitting to my right.

I really hate my river check (should have been a bet/fold) - which is why I posted this hand.

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I wouldn't fold a 18BB pot unless I'm really confident with my reads. Or the action goes something like bet, call, call, raise.

crunchy1 · #9 10-17-2005, 11:06 AM

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I wouldn't fold a 18BB pot unless I'm really confident with my reads. Or the action goes something like bet, call, call, raise.

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I agree. In this case - it would've been an easy fold against any of those 3 opponents. I had good stats and notes on all of them.

I'm such a puss! [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

Nick Royale · #10 10-17-2005, 11:16 AM

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I wouldn't fold a 18BB pot unless I'm really confident with my reads. Or the action goes something like bet, call, call, raise.

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I agree. In this case - it would've been an easy fold against any of those 3 opponents. I had good stats and notes on all of them.

I'm such a puss! [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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Assume the action goes:
River: (15.25 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, MP1 checks, MP2 checks, Hero bets, BB folds, MP1 raises, MP2 folds, hero...

No stats in the world can make me sure enough he's not holding AJ/KJ/Jx or are just trying a bluff 6% of the times for me not to making this call. A very confident "real" read could though.

EDIT: didn't see you actually had real reads...