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Old 09-18-2005, 11:43 AM
Rosie5 Rosie5 is offline
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It seems incredibly inappropriate for a supposedly international event (World != America) whatever country it's held in. And how did non-US participants react?

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the thing is here in America--Our mentality is usually "the world = America"

we're just that cool [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img] I still don't see how the anthem is going to offend anyone, it's a part of American culture. Singing it before special events is typical American culture, if I went to any other country I'd try to do what they do within reason (i think standing for a song is within reason?) So I don't see what the big deal is

OH and the non US Participants were shocked and outraged

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Old 09-18-2005, 12:18 PM
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Personally I'm shocked and outraged about this and I will be boycotting future WSOP events until this is changed.

In fact, I denouce my citizenship effective immediatly.
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Old 09-18-2005, 12:28 PM
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Poker is a purely American game. Therefore, all poker tournament main events played all over the world should be preceded by the American National Anthem. Poker is just as American as apple pie, baseball, hamburgers, jazz and hotdogs.

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The exact origins of poker are unclear. It seems to have originated from a 16th century Persian card game known as As Nas. This game was played with 25 cards with 5 different suits. The game played in a similar fashion to modern 5 card stud and possessed similar poker hands rankings, such as three-of-a-kind. When Europeans began to play the game, they called it 'poque' or 'pochen.' 2 While poker's origins may lie in Europe and Persia, it truly developed in the United States.

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"As American as apple pie" is a common saying in the United States. However, the expression (its full form being "As American as motherhood and apple pie") is clearly metaphorical, rather than literally trying to claim origin, since both motherhood and apple pie predate the United States. It expresses the feeling that the concept "America" is not just geographical, but instead — along with motherhood and apple pie — is something wholesome.

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In the late eighteenth century, the largest ports in Europe were in German. Sailors who had visited the ports of Hamburg, Germany and New York, brought the food and term "Hamburg Steak" into popular usage. To attract German sailors, eating stands along the New York city harbor offered "steak cooked in the Hamburg style."

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The origin of hot dogs started all the way from the main ingredient – the sausage. There is some disagreement though as to whether the Austrians or the Germans invented the sausage. However, most people will credit the origin of sausages to the city of Frankfurt in Germany around the late 1400s. The frankfurter sausage was later nicknamed as “dachshund sausage” by a Frankfurt butcher who happened to own a dachshund (a dog with a pretty long body).

It is from Europe that the “dachshund” sausage was introduced to North America. Again it is not quite clear who actually was the first to introduce sausages with bread roll in the States. Whoever it was, the “dachshund” sausage roll became a very popular fast food in the early 1890s in Chicago where it spread to the rest of the country. People began to serve the “dachshund” sausage rolls in baseball parks and soon having hotdogs at the games became an American tradition.

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Most cultures have some sort of stick and ball game, cricket being the most well-known. While the exact origins of baseball are unknown, most historians agree that it is based on the English game of rounders.

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Many Jazz writers have pointed out that the non-Jazz elements from which Jazz was formed, the Blues, Ragtime, Brass Band Music, Hymns and Spirituals, Minstrel music and work songs were ubiquitous in the United States and known in dozens of cities. Why then, they reason, should New Orleans be singled out as the sole birthplace of Jazz? These writers are overlooking one important factor that existed only in New Orleans, namely, the black Creole subculture.

The Creoles were free, French and Spanish speaking Blacks, originally from the West Indies, who lived first under Spanish then French rule in the Louisiana Territory. They became Americans as a result of the Louisiana Purchase of 1803 and Louisiana statehood in 1812. The Creoles rose to the highest levels of New Orleans society during the 19th century. They lived in the French section of the city east of Canal Street and became prominent in the economic and cultural life of the section.

The Creole musicians, many of whom were Conservatory trained in Paris, played at the Opera House and in chamber ensembles. Some led the best society bands in New Orleans. They prided themselves on their formal knowledge of European music, precise technique and soft delicate tone and had all of the social and cultural values that characterize the upper class.

The one thing these all had in common? American culture developed them into their modern forms, but they all had their history elsewhere in the world

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Old 09-18-2005, 12:44 PM
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Default Re: Poker is an American game

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Poker is a purely American game. Therefore, all poker tournament main events played all over the world should be preceded by the American National Anthem. Poker is just as American as apple pie, baseball, hamburgers, jazz and hotdogs.

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Not sure if you are joking or not, seeing as everything on that list is everything but American in origin.

Playing the national anthem at the WSOP is highly inappropriate. If it was the US Poker Championship then fine, but the WSOP is a world event which is played on US soil due to tradition only.

Should every event at the Olympics be played with the Greek anthem?
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Old 09-18-2005, 12:57 PM
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While poker's origins may lie in Europe and Persia, it truly developed in the United States.

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Exactly my point.

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"As American as apple pie" is a common saying in the United States. However, the expression (its full form being "As American as motherhood and apple pie") is clearly metaphorical, rather than literally trying to claim origin, since both motherhood and apple pie predate the United States. It expresses the feeling that the concept "America" is not just geographical, but instead — along with motherhood and apple pie — is something wholesome.

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Well, if you think about it, wholesomeness really began in the United States. Before the Declaration of Independence, the world was still somewhat semi-barbaric with the British, the Dutch, the French,and the Spaniards using violence to spread their empires. The US was truly the first country that expanded peacefully from the first 13 colonies to Alaska and Hawaii.

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To attract German sailors, eating stands along the New York city harbor offered "steak cooked in the Hamburg style."

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But it is not really a hamburger until it is placed between two pieces of bread which collectively are called a "hamburger bun". The hamburger as we know it is purely an American food item. The Germans just saw it as another version of steak, not a fastfood item.

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Again it is not quite clear who actually was the first to introduce sausages with bread roll in the States. Whoever it was, the “dachshund” sausage roll became a very popular fast food in the early 1890s in Chicago where it spread to the rest of the country. People began to serve the “dachshund” sausage rolls in baseball parks and soon having hotdogs at the games became an American tradition.

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See my opinions about the hamburger. If you eat the hotdog without bread, it is just sausage. It has to be sandwiched between two breads for it to qualify as a hotdog which is an American invention.


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Most cultures have some sort of stick and ball game, cricket being the most well-known. While the exact origins of baseball are unknown, most historians agree that it is based on the English game of rounders.

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Stop trying to give credit to other countries what is rightfully American. I'm sure the cavemen played with sticks and balls but that does not make it baseball.


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The one thing these all had in common? American culture developed them into their modern forms, but they all had their history elsewhere in the world

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Louis Armstrong invented jazz. And he was 100% American. In fact, they named the New Orleans airport after him.
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Old 09-18-2005, 01:01 PM
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America. America. America F@#k Yeah.
Comin' again to save the motherf@#king day, yeah.
America, f@#k yeah!

Freedom is the only way, yeah.
Terrorist your game is through
'cause now you have to answer to America, f@#k yeah.
So lick my butt and suck on my balls.
America, f@#k yeah.

What ya gonna do when we come fo' you now?
It's the dream that we all share, it's the hope for tomorrow.
F@#k yeah.

McDonalds, Wal-mart, the Gap, baseball, NFL, rock and roll, the internet, slavery, F@#k yeah, f@#k yeah.

Starbucks, Disneyworld, porno, valium, Reebok, fake tits, sushi, Taco Bell, rodeo, Bed
Bath and Beyond.

Liberty, waxed lips, the Alamo, Band-Aids, Christmas, immigrants, Popeye, Democrats, Republicans, sportsmanship, books.

Sad F@#k Yeah
America, f@#k yeah.
Comin' again to save the motherf@#king day yeah.
America, f@#k yeah.
Freedom is the only way yeah.
Terrorist your game is through.
Now you have to answer to America, f@#k yeah.
America, f@#k yeah.





On another topic, kiss my as.s. Jihad on you.
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Old 09-18-2005, 01:10 PM
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Default Re: Poker is an American game

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If it was the US Poker Championship then fine, but the WSOP is a world event which is played on US soil due to tradition only.


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Lighten up, it is only named the WSOP. Few people believe the winner is the best player in the world, just the luckiest player in the world that particular week.

Wear earplugs if you don't like it or better yet go start your own world championship in Slovenia.
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Old 09-18-2005, 01:40 PM
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Holy crap Mushu. The stereotype of the average American being fat, stupid and ignorant usually won't hold true, but you sir strike them all I'm sure.

Apple pie was being baked in England long before North America was even known to exist. Empires are what spread civilisation to 'barbaric' places around the world (the US is a result of this).

The US spread west peacefully did it? My God this is one of the most stupid statements I've ever read.

Baseball is well known to have been derived from rounders.

Most things Americans consider to be American have came from other places in the world. It just so happens the US is about 2000 years behind most other Western nations (in Europe), otherwise it might have been a different story.

No doubt you think English was invented by an American, too?


Jimbo it not about whether or not the national anthem is insulting to people (it shouldn't be seeing as they'd be in America to hear it) but whether or not it's appropriate. I don't see how it possibly could be seeing as the WSOP hosts players from throughout the world. The WSOP is funded by players from throughout the world. What relevance has the anthem got for being played?
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Old 09-18-2005, 01:41 PM
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What song do they play at the world series of baseball?

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Old 09-18-2005, 02:17 PM
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Should every event at the Olympics be played with the Greek anthem?

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No, because Greece is not a SuperPower/WorldPower.
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