55 - Party 15/30 - All decisions bad?

[Sully]

Thanks for all the replies on this one...maybe it's not quite as bad as I thought.

Do any of you occasionally cap preflop against a player like this? I realize that I don't have too many stats on him, but let's assume an aggressive preflop player who is reasonable after the flop.

Does a cap preflop and a lead bet on the flop help you against the right player, or are you still just spewing chips and being over-aggressive?

I'm typically not in the habit of pushing small pairs too far, but in a heads-up situation and an opponent with a very wide range of starting hands, I have to feel that this would be warranted now and then.

[catlover]

Trying to "take control" here is silly. What are you going to accomplish? Your opponent will call you down here with hands that can beat you. With draws he will call until the river and then take appropriate action.

You played the hand fine.

[Mempho]

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you mean you don't have odds to draw to 2 outs here? ha. Check calling the flop is a relatively cheap way to find out if he is bluffing (some of the time). Calling the turn also is bad poker,



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I like this play Stox. This has always worked well for me in live play. I have had limited success with this in live play, however. It seems that some opponents are too aggro to use this as a means of information against. In other words, they'll bet the turn no matter what. If an opponent is this aggro (but his 3-betting PFR standards are not "out of line"), is this a clear case where aggression turns this into a check-fold on the flop since no information can be gained? Is there another line that we could take here?

[InfernoLL]

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Three folds to me in Late middle position, and I raise with 5 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]5 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. Villain raises on button, and blinds fold. I call. ??

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To me this is the most disturbing question of your post. There is no hand that villian can hold that would make you fold this here.

Edit: On a second read looks like you're asking about capping. I think this is a mistake against anyone but the biggest maniacs.

[Nightwish]

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you mean you don't have odds to draw to 2 outs here? ha. Check calling the flop is a relatively cheap way to find out if he is bluffing (some of the time). Calling the turn also is bad poker,

But what about the times the turn goes check/check? AKo is certainly a 3 betting hand and card frequency means "relatively" likely on this board. You can catually attempt a "solution" for this exact hand if you could define his 3 betting standards, and take a guess at whether he would make a second continuation bet on the turn or not. (plug-in the assumption that he bets flop 100% regardless of whether it helped him). I have a suspicion if you do that math you may find a flop check-fold, but not positive.

Add that to the 4% of the time you turn a set and it's not as clear cut.

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This very much depends on the villain, but I would have to say that if I were the villain, I would bet the turn pretty much every time even if all I had was A high. This is precisely because I see players following the kind of strategy you outline above. But again, there are players who will check behind with A high on the turn....

[karlson]

I basically agree with Stox in this thread. The turn will go check-check a good chunk of the time, and you will get a cheap showdown.

However, this got me to thinking about the fact that when I have a big hand here (say, something that beats KK), I tend not to call the flop and check-raise the turn, opting instead for check-raising the flop, hoping to get raised on the turn. I wonder if these strategies are incompatible (i.e. opponent can now continue with a turn bluff with his AJ/AK fearlessly), or if the times that I simply check call all the way (with, say, JJ) make up for it.