KQ suited level 1, Party 22

cha59 · #1 07-03-2005, 01:48 AM

The only read to this point is the whole table likes to see flops.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (10 handed) converter

MP3 (t775)
CO (t710)
Button (t855)
SB (t785)
BB (t1895)
UTG (t505)
UTG+1 (t800)
Hero (t800)
MP1 (t655)
MP2 (t220)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls t15, Hero calls t15, 1 fold, MP2 raises to t30, MP3 calls t30, CO calls t30, 1 fold, SB calls t20, 1 fold, UTG+1 calls t15, Hero calls t15.

Flop: (t192.50) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 players)
SB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero ????

Karak567 · #2 07-03-2005, 01:56 AM

Fold preflop.

kyro · #3 07-03-2005, 02:00 AM

I fold PF. Then I check flop. With 800 chips, I don't think you're deep enough to be playing a drawing hand. Also, with so many people in the pot, I don't like your chances with TP2K. If I'm playing KQs, I'm playing it for a monster flop.

cha59 · #4 07-03-2005, 02:14 AM

I normally do fold this preflop. I have been trying to play a few more hands lately when I can get in cheaply like this. Maybe that type of thinking is wrong and I should go back to playing tighter in level 1?

I told myself before the flop I wasn't going to continue past the flop unless I hit top two pair or better. Then this flop happened and I went against my better judgement.

Results:

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (10 handed) converter

MP3 (t775)
CO (t710)
Button (t855)
SB (t785)
BB (t1895)
UTG (t505)
UTG+1 (t800)
Hero (t800)
MP1 (t655)
MP2 (t220)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls t15, Hero calls t15, 1 fold, MP2 raises to t30, MP3 calls t30, CO calls t30, 1 fold, SB calls t20, 1 fold, UTG+1 calls t15, Hero calls t15.

Flop: (t192.50) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 players)
SB checks, UTG+1 checks, 

Hero shuts eyes, crosses fingers and bets t150, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO folds, SB folds, UTG+1 folds.

Final Pot: t342.50

Good result, but something told me I just got lucky there. Thanks for the replies.

adanthar · #5 07-03-2005, 02:15 AM

If I call PF (it's not a certain fold for me but at an 800 chip tourney I probably wouldn't play it)...I'm checking here and seeing what happens behind you. You don't care about free cards on this board so much as you want to see whether a QJ is out.

PS: MP2 has nothing 90% of the time, but somebody will usually bet here. If there's no real interest, put 150 in on most turns and see who bites.

bkbluedevil · #6 07-03-2005, 02:17 AM

Seriously rocks, there is nothing wrong with playing this PF. That's not what hte OP was asking about. Its the flop line that is intresting. As for that, I mix it up between betting out and checking to see what developes with checking my preferred line. If I bet it would be less than you bet. More of a probe type.

cha59 · #7 07-03-2005, 02:35 AM

OK, so why a probe bet and not more?

My thinking when I did bet was that either I get them all to fold, I fold to a reraise or see what happens on the turn if I get called (hopefully by a weaker queen).

If you throw a probe bet out there, aren't you more likely to get called by drawing hands? Maybe thats ok, but with all those other players in the pot, I wanted to narrow the field with my hand.

bkbluedevil · #8 07-03-2005, 02:39 AM

The board isn't really that draw friendy I guess 10 9 gets to take a card off on you. I bet smaller because it gives me info for cheaper. I really think people calling and raising standards are about the same for a 100 bet as a 150 bet though maybe not. Basically I'm betting to figure out what I'm up against.

cha59 · #9 07-03-2005, 02:40 AM

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You don't care about free cards on this board so much as you want to see whether a QJ is out.

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Good point. I was thinking if QJ was out there I'd see a reraise and then I'd fold to it. If that had happened I'd have bled about 1/5 of my stack to find that out.

cha59 · #10 07-03-2005, 02:52 AM

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The board isn't really that draw friendy I guess 10 9 gets to take a card off on you. I bet smaller because it gives me info for cheaper. I really think people calling and raising standards are about the same for a 100 bet as a 150 bet though maybe not. Basically I'm betting to figure out what I'm up against.

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Ok, that seems reasonable, thanks.