should I have waited one more round?

Page Jacobson · #1 04-20-2005, 04:10 PM

I was getting desperate and I was going to be the BB in the next hand. Obviously I was hoping to steal but should I have waited?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t300 (4 handed) converter

SB (t1005)
BB (t3060)
Hero (t1065)
Button (t2870)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
Hero raises to t1065 (All-In), Button calls t1065, 2 folds.

Flop: (t2580) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: (t2580) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t2580) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: t2580

Results in white below: 
Hero has 9s 4h (one pair, queens).
Button has Ac Js (one pair, queens).
Outcome: Button wins t2580.

Cleveland Guy · #2 04-20-2005, 04:49 PM

UGH - I don't like this play.

I think I don't like it cause you are making it into the chipleader.

If it's folded to him, he is getting 2-1 on his call, which he could be making with a variety of hands here.

Your hand is below a random hand - so almost any hand he calls you with here he is the favorite.

That plus you might get a better hand next time - I would fold this and pray for a better hand.

OLD_TABLE · #3 04-21-2005, 07:26 PM

I think you need to fold and hope for a better opportunity. The SB guy is in almost as bad shape as you are, so he may well push THIS HAND if you don't. Also, even if you get trash, they may all fold to you on the next hand, as they think you will probably call. Even if you got raised then, you could fold and try to survive. There is no need to panic here. You are in decent shape.

OLD_TABLE

LeVoodoo · #4 04-21-2005, 07:31 PM

The fact that you're bb next makes this a bit harder decision. You stand to lose almost half your stack in the blinds.
Pushing isn't the worst decision, but folding is probably a better one.

microbet · #5 04-21-2005, 07:42 PM

The two big stacks would have to be very tight for this to be a push.

Slim Pickens · #6 04-21-2005, 08:12 PM

I actually like the way you played it, but only if you still think you have a tight table image. Typical winning (2+2-style anyway) strategy leaves with a window of one to three pushes where you can count on a little extra folding equity. If you think you still have one of those pushes left, this is an excellent place to use them. It moves the "shortstack about to bust out" label from you to the current SB, putting him in the big stcks' crosshairs should they feel the need to start policing. If you've push a few times already, you're probably in trouble but I'd still push anyway.

Slim

EDIT: Eh, rereading it I'm lifting the conditions. Push.

microbet · #7 04-21-2005, 08:16 PM

Assume he hasn't pushed a lot and has decent FE.

What calling ranges do you give for all three villians?

Slim Pickens · #8 04-21-2005, 08:56 PM

I'm going to put them on 77+, AT+, A6s+, and maybe KQ-KTs just because they suck... and I'm doing this before Power Tooling it just to see if my instinct to push is anywhere close to correct.

Slim

Slim Pickens · #9 04-21-2005, 09:00 PM

Hmm... I'm getting the usual "It totally depends on the range of calling hands your opponents have," but for my stated range, it's very close. In order to argue for a clear fold, you have to give the opponents a wider calling range than I did. When in doubt, I push... better hourly rate.

Slim