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02-02-2005, 08:03 PM
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Re: First post - Don\'t go easy on me
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Are you saying that a C/R is horrible if pfr bets and all call back to you? [/ QUOTE ] I actually misread the action and assumed UTG raised the flop, not MP2. I'm still not convinced about C/R vs C/C'ing and closing the action if all call to me. It's almost like the argument for raising here is for value, but the value is speculative; there *is* no straight to speak of and there just aren't enough other ways for your hand to win... 
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#23
02-02-2005, 08:09 PM
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Re: First post - Don\'t go easy on me
Yes it is bad. With just 2 callers you need to check/call.
If the action were: Hero checks, PFR bets, 7 people call. Now a check/raise makes more sense. That doesn't mean that you should do it though. If the villian is aggressive, I will still check/call and go for a check/raise on 4th if I make my straight. If I don't fear a 3-bet from the PFR, then I will check/raise for value. With just 2 callers in the middle, you get: 8(.315) - 2 = +.52 SB when you check/raise and everyone one calls. 4(.315) - 1 = +.26 SB when you check/call and everyone else calls. So you get .26 SB (.13 BB more, as we already figured out in a previous post) when you check/raise and everything works out. But every thing will not always work out. And, sometimes a check/raise can kill your implied odds if you hit the straight on a later street. A check/raise is only viable iff (if and only if): 1) Your implied odds don't go down. That is, by check/raising the flop for value you will still be able to check/raise the turn for value. This usually isn't the case as you should bet out if you hit the straight on 4th after you check/raise the flop. Going for back-to-back check/raises is usually a losing strategy. 2) No one will fold to the check/raise and possible 3-bet. Brad
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