Flop nut straight...played right?

[DrPublo]

Why raise the flop? None too many cards hurt me and I'd love someone to catch a 6-high straight on the turn.

The Doc

[ahnuld]

Raise flop to get money in and to make people pay if they have a set, 2 pair. Also raise becuase people will call drawind almost dead.

Preflop, I prefer raisinf or folding this hand. Too often I get stacked by a higher flush so Iv recently stopped limping most suited connectors.

[swolfe]

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Why raise the flop? None too many cards hurt me and I'd love someone to catch a 6-high straight on the turn.

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would you raise with a set?

[DrPublo]

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Why raise the flop? None too many cards hurt me and I'd love someone to catch a 6-high straight on the turn.

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would you raise with a set?

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90% of the time. Sometimes when I have a set on a coordinated flop like this one I'll call the flop and hammer the turn if it's a brick, and play for a small pot otherwise.

The Doc

yeah but this turn is a very dangerous card.

i will probably overbet the pot in this case many times.

when that 3rd spade comes and you get a miniraise w/ a straight on the board.. that is reaaallly sketchy after theyve been check-calling the whole time.

[DrPublo]

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yeah but this turn is a very dangerous card.

i will probably overbet the pot in this case many times.

when that 3rd spade comes and you get a miniraise w/ a straight on the board.. that is reaaallly sketchy after theyve been check-calling the whole time.

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I wonder why you think the 2s is so dangerous. What percentage of the time do you think a runner runner draw is lurking among a player that bet the flop small and a player that overcalled?

The overbet idea is interesting because a naked 6 is coming along anyway...

At the time I thought the ideal situation would be to bet slightly less than the pot and get an ace (which just made the wheel) to play back at me. Moreover, If the nut flush draw is sticking around, then it should definitely make a big raise...

I guess overall what I'm trying to say is I bet less than the full pot on the turn because a) I still had the nuts and wanted lesser made hands to stick around, b) Hoped to get played back at by hands that just got there, and c) Didn't assign a high % to a runner runner spade draw being out there.

The Doc

[PinkSteel]

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I guess overall what I'm trying to say is I bet less than the full pot on the turn because a) I still had the nuts and wanted lesser made hands to stick around, b) Hoped to get played back at by hands that just got there, and c) Didn't assign a high % to a runner runner spade draw being out there.


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This may be nitpicking, but what made hands call your $18 turn bet but would fold to a full-pot $25 bet? I think few if any. But a $25 bet does a better job of pricing out the admittedly-unlikely-but-nevertheless-possible draw that could beat you. I'd pot the turn.

[DrPublo]

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I guess overall what I'm trying to say is I bet less than the full pot on the turn because a) I still had the nuts and wanted lesser made hands to stick around, b) Hoped to get played back at by hands that just got there, and c) Didn't assign a high % to a runner runner spade draw being out there.


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This may be nitpicking, but what made hands call your $18 turn bet but would fold to a full-pot $25 bet? I think few if any. But a $25 bet does a better job of pricing out the admittedly-unlikely-but-nevertheless-possible draw that could beat you. I'd pot the turn.

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Ax?

The Doc

true. i agree with the percent that this will be a flush or not. but from my observations.. a miniraise is a strength move.. not a crying hope for a fold.

just the way he went about deciding to turn up the gas on the river is something that i take into consideration when i make an estimate as to whether my hand is good or not.

[DrPublo]

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true. i agree with the percent that this will be a flush or not. but from my observations.. a miniraise is a strength move.. not a crying hope for a fold.

just the way he went about deciding to turn up the gas on the river is something that i take into consideration when i make an estimate as to whether my hand is good or not.

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Agreed that min-raises are strength moves, especially in generally passive games. But there is some % of the time that he has a naked 6 on the river, and some % of the time it's a bluff trying to get me to fold a chop (if we both play the board, for example). I obviously must call his river raise...and probably a push too, if he chose to do that.

The Doc