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12-02-2005, 11:44 AM
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standard line with a draw vs. shorty?
no reads/stats. looks like the converter messed up.. UTG is actually BB.
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx Button ($83.60) Hero ($23.55) BB ($0) UTG ($9.80) MP ($10.25) CO ($11.90) Preflop: Hero is SB with 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $0.10. UTG posts a blind of $0.25. <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls $0.25, Button calls $0.25, Hero (poster) completes, UTG (poster) checks. Flop: ($1) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $1</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $2</font>, CO folds, Button folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $10</font>, UTG calls $9.55 (All-In). 
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#4
12-02-2005, 01:38 PM
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Re: standard line with a draw vs. shorty?
STD.
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#5
12-02-2005, 03:06 PM
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Re: standard line with a draw vs. shorty?
meh.
I don't lead this aginst 3 usually. You should call the min raise since you are never a favor and you have 0 FE. He mostly has a queen and his play stinks too. People in those spot usually think they are never a big dog therefore push without balance all the available option imo. The only hands you are favor is 53.
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#6
12-02-2005, 03:12 PM
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Re: standard line with a draw vs. shorty?
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meh. I don't lead this aginst 3 usually. You should call the min raise since you are never a favor and you have 0 FE. He mostly has a queen and his play stinks too. People in those spot usually think they are never a big dog therefore push without balance all the available option imo. The only hands you are favor is 53. [/ QUOTE ] you give some very weak advice. if there's any fold equity whatsoever, then the push is +EV. http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1381332 pokenum -h kd qd - 5s 6s -- qs 2h 4s Holdem Hi: 990 enumerated boards containing Qs 4s 2h cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV Kd Qd 512 51.72 478 48.28 0 0.00 0.517 6s 5s 478 48.28 512 51.72 0 0.00 0.48
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#7
12-02-2005, 03:42 PM
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Re: standard line with a draw vs. shorty?
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[ QUOTE ] meh. I don't lead this aginst 3 usually. You should call the min raise since you are never a favor and you have 0 FE. He mostly has a queen and his play stinks too. People in those spot usually think they are never a big dog therefore push without balance all the available option imo. The only hands you are favor is 53. [/ QUOTE ] you give some very weak advice. if there's any fold equity whatsoever, then the push is +EV. http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1381332 pokenum -h kd qd - 5s 6s -- qs 2h 4s Holdem Hi: 990 enumerated boards containing Qs 4s 2h cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV Kd Qd 512 51.72 478 48.28 0 0.00 0.517 6s 5s 478 48.28 512 51.72 0 0.00 0.48 [/ QUOTE ] My experience of party 25NL is he would not fold KQ here. He is UTG and min raise with 2 to act and short stack. I dont know. I also noticed he price himself in with a flush draw, which is a horrible case of course.
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#8
12-02-2005, 03:53 PM
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Re: standard line with a draw vs. shorty?
Meh. Push, call. Villian is BB so you probably have a little more FE than if he were UTG, who should be coming in with a decent queent. BB could have any Q.
I agree with Rachel when she says that you don't have much FE in this game. I also agree with swolfe that this move is +EV because you do have **some** FE. But, the +EV'edness is very small in pushing. The question is which move, calling or pushing, has an higher EV. And I'm not sure there's much difference, although I'd lean toward pushing. If a spade hits the turn, he *might* be able to lay his hand down.
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#9
12-02-2005, 04:37 PM
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Re: standard line with a draw vs. shorty?
Given UTG's stack size, the fact that you're playing 6max, and his re-raise on the flop, I think there is VERY little fold equity here.
I rarely ever see a short-stack lay down their cards after reraising here. However, like swolfe mentioned, against Qx (AQ,KQ), you're about even, so any fold equity at all puts you ahead of the game. Somewhat read dependent. I push here if: (a) villain is somewhat tight at all (b) if you know his minraises are usually on TPTK type hands Personally, I think if Villain had a set or 2-pair here, he'd probably re-raise all-in on the flop to protect against the flush draw. Given that, I like your push.
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