Why do Jews Reject Jesus - Part 2

[bossJJ]

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"gt" is his snide reference to the New Testament which he calls the Greek Testament and abbreviates as "gt".

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"New Testament" is offensive to us, because it implies that our bible is no longer in effect. "Greek Testament" is actually a neutral term.

If I wanted to be snide or critical, I would call it something like the mcb ("moronic christian bible"). But I'm a nice guy, so I just call it the gt.

[bossJJ]

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Regarding Moses I am not making a point regarding Christianity so I won't address your off topic comments on those points. My point was that Moses rebuts your claim that all other major religions depend upon one man while Judaism does not. Now, your claim about the one man stuff is not necessary for Judaism to be true, just an erroneous assertion that is an arguement for it to be true.

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The point is that 2-3 milliion people heard God when He gave Moses the Torah. No other religion makes that claim, as it is impossible to fake if it didn't really happen. Just how could someone fake that? If it can be faked, how come no other religion has made the same claim?

Again, why do you deny what the Hebrew bible says? If the Torah isn't true, then neither is Christianity.

I guess you guys are just unable to answer the questions about why anyone should accept the gt.

[coolhandluke]

so, I guess you think that all the stuff in the New Testament about Jesus fullfilling prophecies was just made up after the fact and written down?

[bossJJ]

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Just because the condition for being a levitic priest is met, doesn't mean that they are functioning as same which they're not, thus leaving just 1/3 of the original class of interpreters. And regarding the sanhedrin, another convenient interpretation that can only be fulfilled in a messianic age. But wait! The sanhedrin existed before 2000 years ago. So why not now?

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LOL! It's you Christians who had to invent a "scond coming" because Jesus failed to fulfill any of the messianic prophecies. The Sanhedrin isn't here now because the messiah has not yet come.

The Temple isn't here either because the messiah has not yet come. Apparently you're back to that ridiculous argument, which I have already disproven in other threads, that the destruction of the Temple somehow proves that Christianity is true. On the contrary, Jesus' failure to fulfill any of the messianic prophecies proves that he wasn't the messiah. Multiple verses prove that a blood sacrifice was never required in order to atone for sin.

If Christianity is true, why have all of God's preophecies and promises to the Jews been fulfilled only in the Jews, the descendants of the Pharisees?

If Christianity is true, why has God commanded us not to follow people like Jesus?

If Christianity is true, why does the bible say that everyone will be coming to the Jews for the truth in the messianic age.

[vulturesrow]

The historicity of the New Testament has been well established over the years and is well documented. It more than satisfies various historigraphical tests. In step with this is the fact that very few scholars believe that Jesus did not exist as a historical figure. Your opinions on these particular issues are completely out of step with with established and widely accepted historical scholarship.

And incidentally, you need to reread if you think BluffTHIS (or any other Christian) is trying to say the OT isnt true.

[bossJJ]

Jesus failed as messiah. In fact, he failed so completely that you could call him the "antichrist."

The real messiah will rebuild the Temple, yet shortly after Jesus' time, the Temple was destroyed.

The real messiah will gather all the Jews back to Israel, yet shortly after Jesus' time, the Jews were exiled from the land and scattered all over the world.

The real messiah will bring world peace, and all the Jews will dwell securely in Israel, yet Christianity has brought 2000 years of antisemitism and war.

The real messiah will lead all Jews back to Torah observance, but Jesus encouraged Jews to sin.

The real messiah will bring a universal knowledge of God, while Christianity has led millions into their idolatry.

Anyone who thinks that such a complete failure (and sinner) could be the messiah has to be spiritually blind, or just plain ignorant.

[BluffTHIS!]

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My point was that Moses rebuts your claim that all other major religions depend upon one man while Judaism does not. Now, your claim about the one man stuff is not necessary for Judaism to be true, just an erroneous assertion that is an arguement for it to be true.

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The point is that 2-3 milliion people heard God when He gave Moses the Torah.

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Wait a minute. You mean 2-3 million saw the burning bush and God giving Moses the tablets? Or only heard Moses' claims about same, which would just reduce Judaism to one of many religions that depend upon the word of one man?

[BluffTHIS!]

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The Sanhedrin isn't here now because the messiah has not yet come. The Temple isn't here either because the messiah has not yet come.

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How can this be true when they existed before without the messiah having come?

[bossJJ]

All Christian “proofs” about Jesus are based on mistranslations and/or taking verses out of context. Most of the verses they cite (from the Hebrew bible) aren’t messianic prophecies at all, and this is apparent when the verses are read in context. The gt authors had a poor knowledge of what the real messiah will do, so they try to offer “proof” about jesus with unrelated verses. As I’ve mentioned before, jesus did not fulfill ANY messianic prophecies, and this is what will happen when the real messiah comes:
www.outreachjudaism.org/sin.html

The gt was written by biased, deceitful men with an agenda. Its authors were claiming that jesus was the messiah. They were familiar with some of the biblical prophecies, so they made up stories to make it appear as if jesus was the messiah. To do this, they take verses out of context, change the meaning of words, and lie. This is why there are so many contradictions within the gt. It is clearly not from God.

Christian translators also tamper with the Hebrew bible. They change words (e.g. - Is 7:14, Psalms 2, 22 and 110, Dan 9:25-26) and verb tenses (e.g. – Is 9:6, 53:5). Very often, when a Hebrew prophet was speaking about someone in the past tense, the Christian translators change the words to the future tense (so that they can claim that it’s about Jesus). They also change some words from the plural to the singular (Is 53:8-9) for the same reason. The KJV and NIV are the least accurate Christian translations, with the most bible tampering. Some of the more modern translations have corrected the errors that led to these “proofs.” For example, the NRSV correctly translates the word “alma” (Is 7:14) as “young woman.”

[Zygote]

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The Orthodox Rabbis have an unbroken link going back to Moses. There is wide agreement among what they believe. The disagreement is only over minor details.

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Exactly. Just to add some stuff...

Most of the minor disagreements are with regards to levels of prudency and such. Whichever side of the dispute one's family's traditional bankround has held will be one's required practice and must be followed as obidiently as torah law. The rabbi's of different regions ruled differently on the specific hallachahs (sp?) and this is where most of the interpretational differences started. All of the interpretations are kosher because they all still respect and follow the guidelines of the torah.