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#82
07-09-2005, 11:38 AM
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Re: I remember
Why would I want to read an article from a thoroughly discredited source?
But, I did (I read articles from across the political spectrum), and he is still discredited. Lastly, I never ever, ever lie. 
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#83
07-09-2005, 11:48 AM
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Re: I remember
You ARE lying by claiming he was thoroughly discredited in those threads.
Also, you have not refuted his point in this article, but rather merely launched an ad hominem attack. Par for the course: if you don't like a point, ignore it; and whatever you do, don't deal with it. This is a recurrent pattern of yours. Care to address the point raised in the article? I thought not.
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#85
07-09-2005, 12:05 PM
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Re: My three step plan to stop terrorism against the U.S.
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[ QUOTE ] Not exactly, my good friend Dead made the statement about Muslims (which I am limiting to terrorists) just want to practice their religion and be left alone. That statement is untrue for a variety of reasons, including the fact of the existence of the State of Israel. [/ QUOTE ] They want to be left alone practicing their religion in all of Jerusalem [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]. [ QUOTE ] Moreover, Israel is very, very much relevant to any discussion about Islamic terrorism against the United States. Whether you support our policies vis-a-vis Israel or you are opposed to them, there can be little dispute that our strong support for the State of Israel is a major factor in the terrorists' desire to attack the US. [/ QUOTE ] Yes, obviously at least historically. However, to your info, a man here who is sitting and reading the Jihadist chatrooms regularly (hired by the military to do so), says the discussion now mostly is about Iraq. [/ QUOTE ] That's a very shortsighted view. Sure, maybe now they are talking about Iraq more than anything. And then if we left Iraq, it would Afghanistan. And then if we left something else, and something else, until we come back to our support of Israel. I think it will always come back to our support of Israel.
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#87
07-09-2005, 12:18 PM
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Re: I remember
Make the point and I will respond.
For a refutation of the (thoroughly discredited hack) Taheri's article in question see the link that you chose to firewall out of your sight.
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#88
07-09-2005, 01:12 PM
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Re: My three step plan to stop terrorism against the U.S.
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Not exactly, my good friend Dead made the statement about Muslims (which I am limiting to terrorists) just want to practice their religion and be left alone. That statement is untrue for a variety of reasons, including the fact of the existence of the State of Israel. [/ QUOTE ] They want to be left alone practicing their religion in all of Jerusalem [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]. [ QUOTE ] Moreover, Israel is very, very much relevant to any discussion about Islamic terrorism against the United States. Whether you support our policies vis-a-vis Israel or you are opposed to them, there can be little dispute that our strong support for the State of Israel is a major factor in the terrorists' desire to attack the US. [/ QUOTE ] Yes, obviously at least historically. However, to your info, a man here who is sitting and reading the Jihadist chatrooms regularly (hired by the military to do so), says the discussion now mostly is about Iraq. [/ QUOTE ] That's a very shortsighted view. Sure, maybe now they are talking about Iraq more than anything. And then if we left Iraq, it would Afghanistan. And then if we left something else, and something else, until we come back to our support of Israel. I think it will always come back to our support of Israel. [/ QUOTE ] You're making my points for me. Israel is the #1 reason why we were attacked. We get nothing by supporting them. And please don't give me that crap argument about how Israel is the only democracy in the region, an outpost in the Muslim world, blah blah blah. It's not worth it. Israel is a parasitic nation. They're bleeding us dry.
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#89
07-09-2005, 01:37 PM
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Re: My three step plan to stop terrorism against the U.S.
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1) Cease our support of Israel. Cut off all foreign aid to them and stop supplying them with weapons, permanently. [/ QUOTE ] Why stop there? Let's just stop supporting everyone outside the US, close the border and kill anyone who tries to get in. Oh and if you leave the country, don't bother coming back. [ QUOTE ] 2) Pull our troops out of every country in the world. Bring them all back home. [/ QUOTE ] And station them all on the US border. See 1 above. [ QUOTE ] 3) Apologize to the Muslim world for all of our crimes. [/ QUOTE ] Again, why single out Muslims? Let's apologize to each race and religion in the entire world while we're at it. God help you if you forget someone. [ QUOTE ] Some people on here will say that this plan sounds like appeasement, and it is. Is there something wrong with that? [/ QUOTE ] No, nothing wrong with that. We should let everyone who is willing to kill to get their way have anything they want. Disband the police force. They are encouraging people to act violently by denying them what they want. [ QUOTE ] Al Quaeda will have no reason to attack us after this. [/ QUOTE ] Sure they will. You just gave them the best reason they could ask for. If they attack, you give up. So they'll ask for something else, you will give it to them. Or they'll attack you. Why wouldn't they? It works. [ QUOTE ] If they do of course we will pwn them, but they won't. [/ QUOTE ] They did already and you're not exactly pwning them now are you? You won't next time either. They know this. [ QUOTE ] Attacking us after these steps are accomplished for revenge or something like that would just be stupid. [/ QUOTE ] You are right. They wouldn't need revenge. They would just attack us to get anything else they might want. That wouldn't be stupid. That would be tactically correct. Did you ever play poker with someone who folded every hand? That's your plan. Fold every hand. Great plan. [ QUOTE ] Some on here who say it is appeasement would prefer a more macho proposed solution, like the status quo. But this plan won't work. We will never win the war on terror with violence. [/ QUOTE ] You don't win with violence. You win with deterents. There need to be immediate and significant consequences to people who choose to attack us. Currently, force is the only way to both prevent them from doing what they do and hopefully deter future people from trying it. If you don't believe me, why aren't you advocating disarming the military entirely and all law enforcement as well? Surely that would prevent people from 'wanting' to commit crimes... BTW, have you ever been to the middle east? You really have no idea what you're talking about.
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#90
07-09-2005, 01:40 PM
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Re: My three step plan to stop terrorism against the U.S.
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I concur. I actually would get a sick pleasure out of seeing Israel wiped out. This may sound weird because I am half-Jewish, but I just hate Israel so much. [/ QUOTE ] Now THIS is interesting. Maybe you should check out a training camp in Iran or something.
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