Can I possibly call? Can I possibly fold? 1/2 live

[Andrew Fletcher]

This might be the best thing I've ever seen.

[dtbog]

LOL.

Seriously, though, is this a standard call? I don't think there are many players that c/r all-in here without a boat... maybe I just give the donks too much credit?

[MTBlue]

The pot is 450 dollars and you have to call 100. If he doesn't have a boat 18% of the time then its right to call. There is no point in this hand where you announced that you had boat except maybe the call on the end. Your line doesn't exude strength. I pay it off and forget about it.

You won't lose lots of cash making this call even if you are wrong everytime b/c this scenario comes up once every gazillion hands.

I see your location is in the claws of variance. I'd look for more routine holes in your game than a possible full house over full house with a three flush on the board.

Hope this helps.

[element00]

Hrm, btdog why would you call for a fullhouse draw hit then fold? If you're calling for the fullhouse draw hit it and push or hit it and call(why call if you're afraid your fullhouse will be no good on river seriously).

[NYCNative]

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...I'm calling on the boat draw... Yay, I have a boat.

[/ QUOTE ]You answered your own question.

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...I'm calling on the boat draw... Yay, I have a boat.

[/ QUOTE ]You answered your own question.

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This logic doesn't make sense.

Does this mean that you must get stacked every time you hit your draw, no matter how obvious it is that someone else hit better?

[dtbog]

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The pot is 450 dollars and you have to call 100. If he doesn't have a boat 18% of the time then its right to call. There is no point in this hand where you announced that you had boat except maybe the call on the end. Your line doesn't exude strength. I pay it off and forget about it.

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Hope this helps.

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This helps.


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I see your location is in the claws of variance. I'd look for more routine holes in your game than a possible full house over full house with a three flush on the board.

Hope this helps.

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This, however, does not help. I think it's condescending.

If I have a major leak -- I don't know, TPTK, folding overpairs, overvaluing weak draws, whatever it might be -- why would I continue posting hands where I do something dumb and lose my stack?

I thought this hand warranted discussion because villain's c/r all-in on the river line seemed only like QJ. From the opinions in this thread, I see that many do not come to that conclusion... so this was helpful to me. I'm glad I posted this hand. I thought it was interesting.

For the record, my location is actually the result of an OOT thread which has nothing to do with results.

[dtbog]

I'm a donk.

I muck my boat, villain tables KJo without a spade... for middle pair on the flop and turn... and a useless rivered trips.

Shortstack had ATs for the flush, and takes down the pot.

My assessment of villain's competence goes way way down.

(As does my assessment of my own [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img])

[BigBiceps]

Definitely call the river. He could have a flush or trips or whatever, and just be happy that a 1 card flush did not get him. Sometimes you will lose, but I think that would be less than half the time at 1/2 live NL.

P.S. I would have folded preflop with 33 to a 5 big blind raise in the first place.

[BobboFitos]

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I'm a donk.

I muck my boat, villain tables KJo without a spade... for middle pair on the flop and turn... and a useless rivered trips.

Shortstack had ATs for the flush, and takes down the pot.

My assessment of villain's competence goes way way down.

(As does my assessment of my own [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img])

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NOOOOOOOOOOO DAVEEEEEEEEEEEE

cold fact is everytime I have a strong hand I feel Im supposed to not fold it, and I make waaaay too many calls when I'm beaten, but even all that said, please dont ever fold in such a spot again.