Can I possibly call? Can I possibly fold? 1/2 live

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1/2, $200 max, Turning Stone. I have the table covered.

SB in this hand is playing below his bankroll; he's a regular at Turning Stone (most of the dealers and regulars seem to know him) and he's moved to the table from the $5/10 uncapped NL game in the other corner of the room. Listening to him talk, he definitely knows the game and has played for a long time -- whether or not he's always playing his A game is suspect, because I've seen him make a couple of donkey-esque plays... but he seems to know what he's doing in general.

(For some totally irrelevant information, we're cramped at a stud table, because this is Turning Stone.)

I look at 3 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] in L-MP, and call a $10 open from the player (~$115) directly to my right. SB villain (~$220) calls, 3 to the flop:

(~$30); 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

SB checks, MP bets $20. I decide to call rather than reopen the betting to the shortstack, SB calls.

Turn (~$90): 6 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

SB checks, MP bets $25, (now I know he has a flush and I'm calling on the boat draw), I call, SB calls.

River (~$165): J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

Yay, I have a boat.

SB checks again. MP pushes for $62, I call hoping for an overcall...

... and SB checkraises all-in for $100 more.

Can he have any hand besides QJ?

[jkkkk]

Always raising that flop..

Regardless I fold that river probably.

[sourbeaver]

If he has QJ, he doesn't know what he's doing.

Calling a raise (from a shortstack, no less) from the SB with that crap hand...
Flat calling with what is probably 4 outs on the flop and turn to a short stack who doesn't nearly offer the odds...

That said, he's gotta have a boat in that spot to push over a push and a caller if he's anything of a poker player.

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That said, he's gotta have a boat in that spot to push over a push and a caller if he's anything of a poker player.

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Exactly.. that's what I thought, and I have the worst possible boat.

whats wrong with SB having A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]X[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]? Unless he's on tilt as you suggested, he wouldn't have called a raise with QJ as a pervious response said. I push, expecting a call from first villain, and expect to win 50% of the time (I'd have a rebuy ready).

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whats wrong with SB having A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]X[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]?

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First of all, I'm pretty sure the shortstack has a flush.

Secondly, why would he c/r all-in on that river with a flush? That'd be pretty atrocious.

because he isn't in it for the money? who cares if the other opponent has a flush, I've been overflushed twice that I can remember when I flopped it with small SC

[j0wlev]

Don't you think Mp might have something like K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] and got pot stuck on the turn? SB might have a hand like A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Jx or Qx.

Think it's silly to put both opponents on the flush and boat. SB could have flopped a flush with a hand like 7 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]6 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] and be waiting to stack MP, MP's turn bet looks like post-oak bluff, like I think I maybe have the best hand maybe I'll win this pot with a weak turn bet with my weak overpair and 2nd nut draw.

I call this all day long, it's live 1/2 people will go to the felt with TPTK all day long, if he has QJ you're gonna wanna stay in the game. Calling a raise OOP with a weak ass QJ.

[BobboFitos]

[Malachii]

LOL