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10-17-2005, 05:07 PM
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Unintentional angleshoot leads to push
$1/2, 200max, Turning Stone.
I got to the table less than 15 minutes ago. Standard open at these tables is $12, so I oblige in LP with A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. SB min-raises me $10 more, the 2 limpers get out of the way, and I call. Flop (~$50): T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] SB bets $30. I have him on precisely the following hand range: { AA no spade (because I have A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]), KK or QQ with or without spade, and possibly A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] } I declare 'raise'. I throw out the $30 to call first, as I often do. I'm thinking of how much to raise, when Villain announces "call" in a very dejected fashion. I'm now almost positive he has a premium pair with no spade. I don't say anything, but the dealer points out that I didn't actually raise yet. I instantly move in for $178 total. He has me covered. I think this is the right play anyway; let's now assume $400 stacks instead for the sake of argument. Do you still move in here? pot-sized raise? does this turn the hand into a call instead? 
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#2
10-17-2005, 05:18 PM
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Re: Unintentional angleshoot leads to push
twodimes.net can check your probability of your hand given that range. You know you have no fold equity so I might just take the hint and minimum raise for a cheap draw. On a side note, how is the Stone...I'm in Ithaca for school and am thinking about making a few trips if it's profitable (I hear the rake is atrocious and the play isn't as bad a tourist casinos but i'm only going on 20 anyway)
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#3
10-17-2005, 05:23 PM
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Re: Unintentional angleshoot leads to push
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twodimes.net [/ QUOTE ] twodimes actually doesn't do ranges, but PokerStove does. [ QUOTE ] You know you have no fold equity [/ QUOTE ] Villain folded AA face up. That was basically the point of this play. [ QUOTE ] On a side note, how is the Stone...I'm in Ithaca for school [/ QUOTE ] I go to Cornell too, remember? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] I'm going up there on Saturday with my friend Mike, staying over the night, and coming back on Sunday. If you want in, you should join. Hit me a PM!
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#4
10-17-2005, 05:25 PM
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Re: Unintentional angleshoot leads to push
Are sure who the angleshooter was here? He may have been trying to get a read on your hand. I would make my normal raise (~$60) and see where it goes from there.
BTW -- I predict that villain probably has QJo so you are gold [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
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#5
10-17-2005, 05:29 PM
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Re: Unintentional angleshoot leads to push
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Are sure who the angleshooter was here? He may have been trying to get a read on your hand. I would make my normal raise (~$60) and see where it goes from there. [/ QUOTE ] You'd usually min-raise here? If he was trying to get a read on my hand, he probably got the read he wanted when I pushed all-in, didn't he? The best I can do vs. his hand range is to be almost even (vs. QQ, or a little behind vs. KK), or ahead of only A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. I want this fold... and if he thinks he gets a read by seeing how much I like my hand, then that's good for me. [ QUOTE ] BTW -- I predict that villain probably has QJo so you are gold [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] Heheheh, nah, not this time. =)
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#6
10-17-2005, 05:34 PM
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Re: Unintentional angleshoot leads to push
I raise $60 more, which should be 3/4 pot or so (if my math is correct.) Though if the villain is solid, a min-raise should scare the life out of him and make it easier for him to fold to your turn push.
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#8
10-17-2005, 05:50 PM
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Re: Unintentional angleshoot leads to push
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[ QUOTE ] Villain folded AA face up. That was basically the point of this play. [/ QUOTE ] if he annouced "call" isn't he bound to calling even though he acted out of turn? [/ QUOTE ] He might be, but I think this would only be enforced if I were going to pursue it.
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#9
10-17-2005, 08:31 PM
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Re: Unintentional angleshoot leads to push
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[ QUOTE ] You know you have no fold equity [/ QUOTE ] Villain folded AA face up. That was basically the point of this play. [/ QUOTE ] I thought he was committed to a call just as you were the raise [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]. Makes more sense now.
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