I smell a set

iash · #1 12-10-2005, 04:23 PM

Villian (CO) is 25/4/.4 over 50 hands or so. Button is aggressive.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Hero ($103)
CO ($91)
Button ($49)
SB ($22)
BB ($156.65)
UTG ($28)
UTG+1 ($80.65)
MP1 ($78.85)
MP2 ($40.50)

**EDIT - I am dealt AK

Preflop:
4 folds, Hero raises to $4, CO calls $4, Button calls $4, 2 folds.

Flop: ($13.50) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, CO checks, Button bets $6, Hero raises to $22, CO calls $22, Button folds.

Somewhere in the back of my mind a warning bell goes off when this guy cold-calls my check raise.

Turn: ($63.50) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)

What is my action now? I'm either W/A or W/B I think. $65 in the middle, Villian (CO) has about the same left.

Can I get away from this hand at this point?

Will post rest of hand after comments..

iash

Mercman572 · #2 12-10-2005, 04:26 PM

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Can I get away from this hand at this point?

Will post rest of hand after comments..

iash

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Does that include your hole cards? Based on your action I'm putting you on a strong ace, but I don't like a checkraise with it. You built a large pot with one pair OOP and defined yourself to holding a strong hand.

Mercman572 · #3 12-10-2005, 04:28 PM

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See how easy that was for me to figure out? Thats why we lead this flop and check the turn. It's a dry board. That's how you play it WA/WB

iash · #4 12-10-2005, 04:37 PM

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See how easy that was for me to figure out? Thats why we lead this flop and check the turn. It's a dry board. That's how you play it WA/WB

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9 times out of 10 I lead this flop. It just so happens I didn't this time. I guess I was banking on Button betting, given his aggression.

As played, I am now in a difficult spot. How would you play this turn?

Godfather80 · #5 12-10-2005, 04:54 PM

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See how easy that was for me to figure out? Thats why we lead this flop and check the turn. It's a dry board. That's how you play it WA/WB

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9 times out of 10 I lead this flop. It just so happens I didn't this time. I guess I was banking on Button betting, given his aggression.

As played, I am now in a difficult spot. How would you play this turn?

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This is the trouble with checking the flop. Villain's actions on flop scream strength as there are no draws to call a bet and check-raise with. His original plan seemed to be giving a free turn in order to let somebody catch up a little.

Unless you have some note on this guy that he is wildly loose passive, I don't see what value you are going to get out of betting the turn. Check/fold.

Villain will have two pair or a set 90% of the time. You are either dead or drawing to 3 outs on the river.

Andrew Fletcher · #6 12-10-2005, 05:03 PM

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This is the trouble with checking the flop. Villain's actions on flop scream strength as there are no draws to call a bet and check-raise with. His original plan seemed to be giving a free turn in order to let somebody catch up a little.

Unless you have some note on this guy that he is wildly loose passive, I don't see what value you are going to get out of betting the turn. Check/fold.

Villain will have two pair or a set 90% of the time. You are either dead or drawing to 3 outs on the river.

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As played, I c/f the turn.

iash · #7 12-10-2005, 06:16 PM

It gets worse. The more I look at this the more I want to throw up.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Hero ($103)
CO ($91)
Button ($49)
SB ($22)
BB ($156.65)
UTG ($28)
UTG+1 ($80.65)
MP1 ($78.85)
MP2 ($40.50)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
4 folds, Hero raises to $4, CO calls $4, Button calls $4, 2 folds.

Flop: ($13.50) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, CO checks, Button bets $6, Hero raises to $22, CO calls $22, Button folds.

Turn: ($63.50) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $15, Hero raises to $50, CO raises to $65, Hero calls $15.

River: ($193.50) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)

Final Pot: $193.50

Results in white below: 
Hero has Ac Ks (two pair, aces and twos).
CO has 8s 8h (full house, eights full of twos).
Outcome: CO wins $193.50. 

I guess the absolute best I can hope for is he overplayed AQ, but that's not very realistic.

I'm pretty much just giving my money away here.

Godfather80 · #8 12-10-2005, 06:21 PM

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It gets worse. The more I look at this the more I want to throw up.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Hero ($103)
CO ($91)
Button ($49)
SB ($22)
BB ($156.65)
UTG ($28)
UTG+1 ($80.65)
MP1 ($78.85)
MP2 ($40.50)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
4 folds, Hero raises to $4, CO calls $4, Button calls $4, 2 folds.

Flop: ($13.50) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, CO checks, Button bets $6, Hero raises to $22, CO calls $22, Button folds.

Turn: ($63.50) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $15, Hero raises to $50, CO raises to $65, Hero calls $15.

River: ($193.50) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)

Final Pot: $193.50

Results in white below: 
Hero has Ac Ks (two pair, aces and twos).
CO has 8s 8h (full house, eights full of twos).
Outcome: CO wins $193.50. 

I guess the absolute best I can hope for is he overplayed AQ, but that's not very realistic.

I'm pretty much just giving my money away here.

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What are you trying to acheive by raising the turn? Folding out weaker Aces? If you still want to see a showdown, then check/call turn and river. I still would have folded to his weak turn bet.

Mercman572 · #9 12-10-2005, 06:21 PM

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See how easy that was for me to figure out? Thats why we lead this flop and check the turn. It's a dry board. That's how you play it WA/WB

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9 times out of 10 I lead this flop. It just so happens I didn't this time. I guess I was banking on Button betting, given his aggression.

As played, I am now in a difficult spot. How would you play this turn?

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Oh no ( [img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]), why would you check this particular flop to raise it when villain calls more than twice as much as he bets??? He probably has 2 pair or just a strong ace. Either way, point is you've put yourself in a terrible position on the turn. He may or may not (probably not given his stats) realize the strength you've exhibited. You have to decide which one that call means. I really think you're beat here however given his flop raise. C/F is probably the best play. He's passive, pray he checks behind both streets [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

#10 12-10-2005, 08:31 PM

Once you checked the flop you should call and then lead the turn for half pot. You will never get raised by AQ etc. there but you will get called.