Party Snowball @ RTR

[StellarWind]

Your post and the replies make some very good points but a fundamental issue for any reforms is that RTR posted this on their website and asked people to sign up with them:

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The only criteria for entry to our monthly tournaments is that you have created a real money account through RakeTheRake using our bonus code RTR100, make a cash deposit and play 500 raked hands.

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A deal is a deal. RTR has to honor this for existing signups or they become a rogue affiliate. That makes many of the suggestions in this thread very difficult to implement.

I agree with brazilio. Tourney specialists could hijack the rake of cash game players. How is that fair? You could get unlucky and see a month's worth of rakeback go down the drain.

Also, calling this a freeroll is imprecise. This is a tourney where, in a sense, the entry fee is a player's rake, but unlike a real tourney, no one pays the same size entry fee. If you paid $1000 to enter a tourney and found out other people paid only $100 or $200, and had the same shot at the biggest cash prizes, you would be upset.

Doesn't Intertops have guaranteed $100 freerolls? I suggested to rtr that they run smaller freerolls like that. For every x $ in rake, you qualify for a freeroll. Say you generate $1000 in rake, you get to play in 10 $100 freerolls, for example. The more rake you generate, the more freerolls you can enter. At least then you would be playing other people who "paid" the same entry fee as you.

I don't see why rtr seems hung up on WSOP and big cash prizes for small numbers of people. Rakeback appeals to people who grind it out a little at a time.

[MicroBob]

i'm not interested in playing in an online-tourney at the beginning of the next month.

what if i'm not available at that time? sundays aren't very good for me through much of the year yet this is when many of the big online-tourneys would be held because it's the best day for other people.

if i can't make the online-tourney then i get zero value there.


You are correct that the major difference is the fact that it's a tourney AND a vacation.
I am attracted to the big, live tourneys and would like to play in 2 or 3 per year (WSOP, Europe, Bahamas or Party Cruise, etc).
If an affiliate sets it up so that this is a realistic possibility just through high-volume play then I will strongly consider going there.



The others are correct in their observations regarding the unfairness of the structure.
If I played a lot there then I am essentially paying more to enter the tourney than some of my opponents.
There is virtually no incentive for a high-volume 20/40 player to play more hands there than the very minimum.


I do hope Jessica re-thinks this idea and comes up with something better.
That's up to her though of course. If she doesn't then I, as a customer, will seek out the plan that suits me best.



To the person that gave the idea of getting X number of $100 tourneys per X amount of MGR contributed.
That's a better idea than how it is currently set up...but this still wouldn't attract me as I just wouldn't be interested in trying to get into tourney after tourney just to try to get my own MGR back (at least, that's how I would look at it).

I like the idea of starting chipstacks being related to hands played.

[StacysMom]

I would never join this program very various reasons. That aside, you guys are being unfair to RTR's promotion. This is not rake back. This is worse than rake back. Rakeback is against the rules. That is very obvious. They are, however, attempting to offer something back to players. Various replys beating around the bush to say that you want rakeback and this is not rakeback is a waste of breath IMO.

[Jessica1]

Hi MicroBob

Valuable points and thanks for the input.

Of course whilst we are figuring out the exact science on this project the scheme is still a valuable benefit to the big volume player who wants to play on Party as follows:

If you are a high volume player and want to sign up at Party without an affiliate you can do so and then you can contact VIP services at Party who will offer you vairous incentives as found in other threads.

If the same high roller signs up to Party through The Snowball Scheme they will still get the same incentives from VIP services but they will also be entered in to the various tournaments that the scheme offers.
Initially a $4,000 tournament or even more might not be attractive to a high volume player...afterall they can make a lot more playing ring games in two hours than the potential $1500 first prize. However as time goes on and the prizes become a mixture of cash and live tournament packages, the value dramatically increases and all this time they have still been rewarded by VIP services.

Hope that stacks up.

yours

Jess
RTR