30-60 River Decision

[TaintedRogue]

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EP called...

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I'm just curious with this a bit. Did EP drop out on the flop or the turn?

Also, I'm curious why no one is advocating a turn raise here. The 5 was a beautiful card for your hand.

You mentioned AT being a strong possibility. AT doesn't make sense as SB would probably 3-bet the flop being an aggressive player.

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Once I called the turn, and he bet the river, I was 90% sure he had AT (the only hand he could have, really) but just could not lay it down. Calling the river, to me, was a clear mistake

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When he bet the turn, I'm very sure he has AT.

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However, it is your read. If we go with that and you were *that* sure he had AT, then it's much, much better to fold the turn than it is to call the turn and fold the river.

As it plays out, you must call the river. Not only do you have a very strong hand that I think you didn't play strongly enough. If you fold the river, you're setting yourself up to get run over in the future.

Garland

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I believe this was a case of the: "I can't laydown a monster holding, even though I have a perfect read" syndrome.

[mikelow]

Call. It's not even close. You're getting 9-1 and I think he doesn't have a five about 20% of the time.

I call the river just because you don't want other players to start doing tricky plays against you on the river thinking you can fold a hand. It's just asking them to play better against you and try and bluff you out of hands since they know you can lay down a good hand. And I wouldn't have said anything to him, its not a hand reading contest its a poker game, don't let your oppoenent's know anything they don't have to.

i like your preflop reraise as well.

just ignore that line at the bottom was supposed to be for another post

[TaintedRogue]

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I call the river just because you don't want other players to start doing tricky plays against you on the river thinking you can fold a hand.

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That's the problem: He can't fold a hand. And, folding a hand when you have a great read; if it leads others to believe you're capable of folding and they start playing back at you, well, that's great! An added bonus.

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It's just asking them to play better against you and try and bluff you out of hands since they know you can lay down a good hand. And I wouldn't have said anything to him, its not a hand reading contest its a poker game, don't let your oppoenent's know anything they don't have to.

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We want the players to come after us, and your other comment is so correct.....I hope the OP understands the gravity behind it.

[SA125]

Is there a chance anyone ever should fold here? Other than maybe Tommy, on one of his expert reads where "The guy paused, blinked twice, pretended like he was looking for the waitress, then tossed his chips in with the ever so slightly forcefullness of (fill in your own blank here)"?

Of course he'd be right. But that's besides the point. Who folds there?

[Justin A]

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After the hand I conducted an instant verbal poll of the table and four respondants said basically "you have to call." No one said a fold was correct.

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I find it ridiculous that you would do this. Wtf are you conducting table polls for in order to figure out the best decision?

[Sparks]

Moderater, for the love of God, please lock this thread.

Sparks

[Jeffage]

Why should the thread be locked? And why would you want to poll the table and give an indication that you consider making big laydowns few of them ever would? Good way to have them work in extra bets against you later.

Jeff