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12-09-2005, 02:53 PM
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Re: A question for Christians AND atheists
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It's just a side effect of religious thought that it turns one against the world in which we live and breathe. [/ QUOTE ] It isn't just a side effect. Atheism is hostility toward God, enmity with Him. This is His universe which we have corrupted through sin. Because unbelief is totally opposed in principle to God Himself Christians are totally opposed to the atheistic world view. It comes down to a choice between truth and the great lie. There's no middle ground, ultimately no possible compromise. So I'm against the world in which you live and breath and for the real, true world that God has created and will someday restore. I'm against the death of the soul and for eternal life. 
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12-09-2005, 03:21 PM
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Re: A question for Christians AND atheists
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Because unbelief is totally opposed in principle to God Himself Christians are totally opposed to the atheistic world view. [/ QUOTE ] Unless they're in need of science in order to survive. Very few Christians would be against the naturalistic/atheistic world view that allows medical science to cure diseseases and illnesses when they are the ones that are sick. Sure, they'll pray too... but probably not before going to the doctor (with a lower-case "d").
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12-09-2005, 03:29 PM
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Re: A question for Christians AND atheists
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Unless they're in need of science in order to survive. Very few Christians would be against the naturalistic/atheistic world view that allows medical science to cure diseseases and illnesses when they are the ones that are sick. Sure, they'll pray too... but probably not before going to the doctor (with a lower-case "d"). [/ QUOTE ] We are in the world but not of the world.
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12-09-2005, 03:25 PM
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Re: A question for Christians AND atheists
<font color="blue">Atheism is hostility toward God, enmity with Him. </font>
That is one bold and incorrect statement. How can you be hositle towards something you don't even believe exists? I'm sure most people who ARE hostile towards God, were at one time believers. Do you feel hositility towards a mermaid? <font color="blue">Because unbelief is totally opposed in principle to God Himself Christians are totally opposed to the atheistic world view. </font> If God is so opposed to unbelief, why did He create man with intelligence and then leave him without any physical evidence or logical proof for belief? If it was so important that someone believed in you, wouldn't you provide a bit more evidence than unlikely stories based on heresay? So God appeared regularily to man thousands of year ago, but for some reason has chosen to remain unseen and unheard since. It would be an easy matter for God to allow everyone to believe. But having some people write a book filled with unlikely stories that isn't much different than hundreds of other religious books, is not a good way to get an intelligent creature to believe.
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12-09-2005, 03:32 PM
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Re: A question for Christians AND atheists
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If God is so opposed to unbelief, why did He create man with intelligence and then leave him without any physical evidence or logical proof for belief? [/ QUOTE ] He didn't. [ QUOTE ] It would be an easy matter for God to allow everyone to believe [/ QUOTE ] God is not the cause of your unbelief. [ QUOTE ] not a good way to get an intelligent creature to believe. [/ QUOTE ] Intelligence isn't the issue.
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12-09-2005, 04:28 PM
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Re: A question for Christians AND atheists
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[ QUOTE ] It would be an easy matter for God to allow everyone to believe [/ QUOTE ] God is not the cause of your unbelief. [/ QUOTE ] God is THE Ultimate Cause. All causes are under God's cause. As a Calvinist, you should know this.
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12-10-2005, 05:04 AM
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Re: A question for Christians AND atheists
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God is THE Ultimate Cause. All causes are under God's cause. As a Calvinist, you should know this. [/ QUOTE ] As a former Calvinist you should know the answer to this. That God is the sine qua non because without His creation there would be no creatures to sin does not relieve the creature of responsibility. God is not the proximate cause of your unbelief, nor is He responsible for it.
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12-10-2005, 09:37 AM
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Re: A question for Christians AND atheists
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] It would be an easy matter for God to allow everyone to believe [/ QUOTE ] God is not the cause of your unbelief. [/ QUOTE ] God is THE Ultimate Cause. All causes are under God's cause. As a Calvinist, you should know this. [/ QUOTE ] As a former Calvinist you should know the answer to this. That God is the sine qua non because without His creation there would be no creatures to sin does not relieve the creature of responsibility. God is not the proximate cause of your unbelief, nor is He responsible for it. [/ QUOTE ] I didn't say he was the proximate cause (we have free will), or tha He is responsible (he made us responsible by giving us free will). However, he is still the Ultimate cause. The Prime Causer. The fact is, Calvinist doctrine states that nobody can choose to believe except that God chooses to supply his irresestible Grace to them. So, summary: God created man, gave him free will, man sinned & can no longer love/believe in God, until God chooses to save man. So, is God the "cause" of someone's unbelief... Primarily, yes, secondarily, no, finally, yes.
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