hand from Empire 200k last night

[2005]

BB is a short, but not desperate, tight player(2+2'er). The rest of the table has been pretty much tight. BB had AJ and I think his push preflop is pretty bad. A stop-n-go is the best play for him I think. Thoughts?

Gavin


Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t2000 (7 handed) converter

Button (t45945)
SB (t9898)
BB (t11460)
UTG (t51830)
hero (t27554)
MP2 (t11076)
CO (t12094)

Preflop: hero is MP1 with 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">hero raises to t5000</font>, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">2+2'er raises to t11460 (All-In)</font>, hero calls t6460.

Flop: (t23920) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Turn: (t23920) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

River: (t23920) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: t23920

[Double Eagle]

Actually I'm going to disagree with you on this. Against alot of players AJ might not look too great here, but given your range of opening hands, getting you to make a pot odds call pre-flop with a potentially dominated hand is not the worst thing in the world.

It looks like you are already in the money, but still a ways from the final table so he definitely could use a full double up. Why would he let you off the hook by calling and then pushing the flop?

[gyndok]

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BB is a short, but not desperate, tight player(2+2'er). The rest of the table has been pretty much tight. BB had AJ and I think his push preflop is pretty bad. A stop-n-go is the best play for him I think. Thoughts?

Gavin


Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t2000 (7 handed) converter

Button (t45945)
SB (t9898)
BB (t11460)
UTG (t51830)
hero (t27554)
MP2 (t11076)
CO (t12094)

Preflop: hero is MP1 with 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">hero raises to t5000</font>, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">2+2'er raises to t11460 (All-In)</font>, hero calls t6460.

Flop: (t23920) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Turn: (t23920) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

River: (t23920) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: t23920

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Question from double a ball:

Suppose he goes with the stop-n-go and bets out post-flop, what 3 cards on the board will make you fold for 6500 more when the pot will be laying you almost 3:1? An ace maybe..

G

[2005]

Anything with an A I wouldn't be calling and a flop with all spades or all clubs where I don't pair are 2 that I can think of off the top of my head. I'm sure there are others.

Gavin

[Double Eagle]

Obviously he doesn't know what you have exactly here, but from his position, if you are ahead with something like 33, most of the flops that will be scary to you are the same ones that will have made his hand. You will call the flop push every time you are way ahead and rarely when way behind.

It seems to me the only flops where this is EV+ over pushing pre-flop are two paint flops that miss him, where it is still a coinflip, but the board texture scares you off of an underpair.

[gyndok]

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Anything with an A I wouldn't be calling and a flop with all spades or all clubs where I don't pair are 2 that I can think of off the top of my head. I'm sure there are others.

Gavin

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Ok, so what you are saying is that for 3:1 no way you are folding preflop but post-flop there are some flops that you wont call the 6500.. I suppose that makes sense.

But with the blinds representing such a large percentage of his/your stacks, he is just looking for a double through and probably was not considering that you might fold postflop. I can't say that I would think I could get you to fold post-flop there..

[MLG]

stop n go is absolutely the right play. you can actually get a lot of folds from hands like 67s when they miss, which are hands that you don't want to be all-in against preflop in this situation. you have no FE preflop, and at least a smidgeon postflop.

[gyndok]

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stop n go is absolutely the right play. you can actually get a lot of folds from hands like 67s when they miss, which are hands that you don't want to be all-in against preflop in this situation. you have no FE preflop, and at least a smidgeon postflop.

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From the BB's perspective, can you really put Gavin on a hand similar to 67s in that spot?

G

[schwza]

if the big blind calls pre-flop and hits a pair, he's still supposed to push, right?

[MLG]

given that it was bubble time, my knowledge of gavin's play, and the way the table was described my range of cards for gavin, is two cards. I think its possible that if he was dealt the 9 diamonds, and a Wild Draw 4 card he would still be raising.