Hmm, how's my line (includes post-flop!!!)

[benza13]

Lvl 3 just started and its the bubble...gotta love the Party 11s. Fold this pf, or is it worth attempting a steal (I have been tight, no reads on the other players from multitabling and a couple people were just eliminated in 2 or 3 hands so I wasn't exactly ready for the bubble, figured to last through lvl 3 at least). How about my push on the flop, too aggressive? Forgive me if any of this is obvious, but I've been having some bubble problems lately and this is a hand I questioned when looking back.


***** Hand History for Game 2282560532 *****
NL Hold'em $10 Buy-in + $1 Entry Fee Trny:13509337 Level:3 Blinds(25/50) - Wednesday, June 29, 15:22:56 EDT 2005
Table Table 11653 (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 9: BMoney1115 ( $2603 )
Seat 4: benza31 ( $845 )
Seat 6: kevhowe ( $1480 )
Seat 3: Rami0101 ( $3072 )
Trny:13509337 Level:3
Blinds(25/50)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to benza31 [ Kh 8h ]
Rami0101 folds.
>You have options at Table 11654 Table!.
benza31 raises [200].
kevhowe folds.
BMoney1115 calls [150].
** Dealing Flop ** [ Ah, 4h, 3s ]
BMoney1115 bets [75].
benza31 is all-In [645]
BMoney1115 calls [570].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 9c ]
** Dealing River ** [ Qs ]

[xLukex]

This is pointless. You overbet for a steal (just make it 150 at the most) and you pushed on the flop? If you're going to play this hand, I call the flop and go from there, as it was a very small, marginal bet (which denotes strength to me).

Any other opinions?

[lastchance]

Looks good, though I probably make t150 preflop.

[Isura]

This hand looks terrible. 16bb on the bubble, facing 2 bigger stacks at level 3. Easy preflop fold.
In your hand, I'd raise less preflop, say 150T. When you get called, I'm looking to get away from this if showed aggression. It's way too likely villain has an ace, or atleast a pair when he pulls the stop and go. He's also getting almost 2:1 on the all-in call, so this looks tempting for a loose big stack at the 11s. I'd fold the flop. There are better spots to use your stack to outplay these guys when the blinds get higher, and you get a better hand.

[xLukex]

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Looks good, though I probably make t150 preflop.

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Ok, can you explain this?

I'm sticking with the fact that it's only level 3 and you will get MUCH better spots to put your chips in the middle.

Level 3! 25/50! Come on, folks! This is showing WAY too much aggression.

[Isura]

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Looks good, though I probably make t150 preflop.

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Is this really worth it at the 11s, when these guys aren't going to be playing nearly close to optimal on the bubble, especially when the blinds increase?

[lastchance]

You've got position, you've got a hand, you've got FE. This is definitely a spot where you can make a play. 4-handed, folding this is particularly awful. I like the button raise with K8s here.

Calling on the flop might be better than pushing, but if you think you've got FE there, pushing wouldn't be horrible.

[Bigwig]

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You've got position, you've got a hand, you've got FE. This is definitely a spot where you can make a play. 4-handed, folding this is particularly awful.

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Just a pet peeve of mine--but it's not really 4 handed. It's effectively 3 handed. There's already a fold. It doesn't matter if 12 players are at the table. When it's all folded to you on the button--it's 3 handed.

Anyway, as the short stack on level 3 with this many BB's, I fold K8s. On level 4 I'd push.

The stacks are simply too deep here to get cute with marginal hands. Remember, the average stack has 40BB.