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08-13-2004, 05:48 PM
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A little knowledge is a dangerous thing
This is a fun little hand I played in the Stars $200+15 NL.
Middle stages of the tourney, I have an average stack. I get dealt TT under the gun and raise 3x. MP thinks and thinks some more and finally calls. Others fold. Flop is J84 rainbow. I make a standard bet, about 2/3 of the pot. MP thinks and thinks some more and finally... miniraises. Calling this miniraise will definitely pot-commit me. There is a bit of a read here. My opponent had not been noticably pausing on other hands, so I didn't feel this was simply multitabling or the like. More importantly, from the table chatter and such, I strongly believed that this was not a player who was likely to be Hollywooding it. In other words, I felt pretty strongly that both pauses were legitimate thinks. So what the heck is going on here? 
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#2
08-13-2004, 05:54 PM
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Re: A little knowledge is a dangerous thing
not a J, at the least...
possible pair of his own, less then 10's .... - I had one guy take an incredible long time once on every hand...I think he musta been looking in a database for pokertracker or something....referencing material before making his move... RB
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#5
08-13-2004, 06:07 PM
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Re: A little knowledge is a dangerous thing
Magic 8 ball??
He's trying to think if a miniraise will get you off your AK. I put him on AQ or a pair 55,66,77,99. Of course this is dependent on your read that he actually had a decision, and wasn't hollywooding.
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#7
08-13-2004, 09:16 PM
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Re: A little knowledge is a dangerous thing
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This is a fun little hand I played in the Stars $200+15 NL. Middle stages of the tourney, I have an average stack. I get dealt TT under the gun and raise 3x. MP thinks and thinks some more and finally calls. Others fold. Flop is J84 rainbow. I make a standard bet, about 2/3 of the pot. MP thinks and thinks some more and finally... miniraises. Calling this miniraise will definitely pot-commit me. There is a bit of a read here. My opponent had not been noticably pausing on other hands, so I didn't feel this was simply multitabling or the like. More importantly, from the table chatter and such, I strongly believed that this was not a player who was likely to be Hollywooding it. In other words, I felt pretty strongly that both pauses were legitimate thinks. So what the heck is going on here? [/ QUOTE ] Everybody's reading weak, but I read strong for some reason. The think is about extracting value - that's not the same as Hollywooding. The miniraise is how he decided to do it. eastbay
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#8
08-13-2004, 09:34 PM
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Re: A little knowledge is a dangerous thing
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I had one guy take an incredible long time once on every hand...I think he musta been looking in a database for pokertracker or something....referencing material before making his move... RB [/ QUOTE ] or, he was just watching porn on the internet...you never know why people take a long time to act online....
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#9
08-13-2004, 09:37 PM
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Re: A little knowledge is a dangerous thing
I'm reading strong, as well...could be J10 and the reason he's pausing is he's trying to decide whether to raise you or call...his thought process is this: "hmmm, he raised preflop....he COULD have a better J than me...but only if he's got AJ...he wouldn't raise the preflop with QJ or KJ, right? Naaaah....chances are he doesn't even HAVE a J! I bet he's got a smaller PP...let's raise him and find out...but only a little just in case he DOES have AJ..."
That's how I read it.
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#10
08-14-2004, 01:27 PM
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RESULTS
Well, for better or for worse, I felt my opponent was actually thinking about both decisions. I thought and thought and decided the only hands that would play this way were TT and 99 and since I had TT, I had to be up against 99.
So I raised all-in and was called and got shown... 99. However a 9 came on the river which just goes to show you that you can get in a lot of trouble by being right.
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