Stud vs Hold Em (low content)

[FeliciaLee]

Danny has said this for years. Moss, like Negreanu, was primarily a HE player.

I am certainly no expert, but I have a lot of theories, and most of them are correct. Just as a good Stud player doesn't equal a good HE player, a great theorist doesn't equal a great poker player.

Stud is the type of game that will teach patience. It will teach a certain type of memory consciousness and a good ability to read hands, as well as people skills. How many fights break out in a Stud game? Not many. No, I'm not talking about since the HE boom, either. I remember back when AC was almost all Stud, and still, the fights broke out at the HE tables.

As we progress, yes, reading hands at Stud is easier than reading hands at HE. Is it solely because of exposed cards? No, not solely, although that is a great benefit to us. We have progressed.

As the stakes get higher, the pots become important enough to buy jewelry or a car, psychology starts to figure into the game more. Sheer aggression, the willingness to make the third bluff is a factor. The advantages of a closed handed game are obvious. You will see a ton of middle/higher limit games of HE, but not many of Stud (I'm talking 100/200 and higher).

Then there is the highest echelon. And what is played? Rarely HE, the biggest mix is:

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No-limit Deuce-to-Seven single draw
No-limit Hold’em
Pot-limit Omaha
No-Limit Ace-to-Five single draw

$4000-$8000 limit games:

Omaha Eight-or-Better
Seven-Stud High
Seven-Stud Eight-or-Better
Deuce-to-Seven Triple Draw
Limit Hold’em
and occasionally Razz


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Yes, this is taken directly from Barry's website. And yes, he admits that Ted is one of the winners in the "big game." And third, Ted's best games are Stud games (Stud, Stud 8, Razz). If you think there is nothing to what I'm saying, then pity you.

Daniel is NOT one of the players, nor one of the winners in the big game. Do I see a coincidence? Yes.

Like Howard Lederer has asserted, " Specialize at your Peril ."

Amen.

Felicia [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

"Any game where there's more decisions to make is a more skillful game. If someone can master stud, then they can master any poker game."--Chip Reese

"Seven Card Stud is the most skillful game to play correctly."--Page 28, Sklansky on Poker

"Seven Card Stud is clearly the most difficult game."--Page 29, Sklansky on Poker

[SA125]

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I remember back when AC was almost all Stud, and still, the fights broke out at the HE tables.

You will see a ton of middle/higher limit games of HE, but not many of Stud (I'm talking 100/200 and higher).

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As far as the Taj goes, both of these statements are wrong. The argueing and calling for the floor is done way more at the Stud games. That's my opinion. 90% of the time, the highest limit game being spread is always Stud. That's a fact.

[FeliciaLee]

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I remember back when AC was almost all Stud, and still, the fights broke out at the HE tables.

You will see a ton of middle/higher limit games of HE, but not many of Stud (I'm talking 100/200 and higher).

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As far as the Taj goes, both of these statements are wrong. The argueing and calling for the floor is done way more at the Stud games. That's my opinion. 90% of the time, the highest limit game being spread is always Stud. That's a fact.

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AC, and even moreso the Taj, is a world unto itself. I should have made that more clear last night. I've been going to bed early and was up later than normal.

The last time I talked to Cindy, she said the high limit Stud games were still very good in AC.

Even at the Taj, while I was there the fighting was at the HE tables, but we left in 2003, so my experience is both limited and dated.

[grandgnu]

Stud you have more information available to you. But the thing is, all the Hold 'Em monkeys don't have the attention span to remember the cards that have been folded, or to calculate all their outs.

They aren't used to all that information. They see A/K offsuit in the hole and they go nuts. Just like all the monkeys trying to play hands like A/K/9/7 rainbow in Omaha 8.

Hold 'Em has brought an awful lot of weak players into our world, including non-hold 'em tables. I'm happy for it. I was primarily a Study player before the Hold 'Em boom, and then I learned Omaha 8 after that.

A good limit Hold 'Em player makes about 1-2 BB's/100 hands from what I've seen. A good Omaha 8 limit player makes 4-5 BB's/100 hands. And the Pot Limit guys I've seen making 10 BB's or more in Omaha 8, although that game has a bit more risk involved because of the pot limits.

I find it extremely easy to multi-table Omaha hi/lo limit games and play on auto-pilot for an easy profit. It's not "glamorous" like Hold 'Em tournaments, and the payouts aren't as large. But the profits are more reliable/stable and I'm playing to make money, not gain fame.