I really need feedback on this doubleshootout hand - Page 2

#11 10-17-2005, 02:29 PM

Please don't post the same exact thing in two forums.

PennDisc · #12 10-17-2005, 03:04 PM

I'm guessing you lost to either JQ or T8, or a random J that called the raise on the turn and got there. I don't think there can be much in the way of feedback on this hand as it's pretty much straightforward. With stacks this short and just 2 opponents, I can't see any line being wrong that gets all the money in with top and bottom pair. If you're sure he'll bet be glad that you were able to get his money in as 2 pair with a flush draw is far ahead of the hand range for a lag here.

lemonPeel · #13 10-17-2005, 03:32 PM

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I'm guessing you lost to either JQ or T8, or a random J that called the raise on the turn and got there. I don't think there can be much in the way of feedback on this hand as it's pretty much straightforward. With stacks this short and just 2 opponents, I can't see any line being wrong that gets all the money in with top and bottom pair. If you're sure he'll bet be glad that you were able to get his money in as 2 pair with a flush draw is far ahead of the hand range for a lag here.

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Well, does it matter if I lost or not? I'm just seeing if my play would be considered "best" of other possible ways of playing it. I could of just pushed on the flop for 1200 and almost assured myself of the 300 chips in the pot. Or I could of tried a smallish lead bet only to get called and then push the turn, or I could of check raised all in on the flop after his 2/3 of the pot bet which would of put more than half his stack on the line with a crappy board in which he might just give it up and fold.

In these double shootouts, you don't get too many decent hands, and the ones you do I'm aiming to double up so I have a chance to at least win the thing, not barely survive and end up with 3rd or something. The only two options I felt I could of taken to try and double up was the one I did take, or just pushing all in on the flop after he made a 2/3 of the pot bet.

jedinite · #14 10-17-2005, 04:57 PM

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The only two options I felt I could of taken to try and double up was the one I did take, or just pushing all in on the flop after he made a 2/3 of the pot bet.

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Why do you feel that check-raising the flop all-in was not a good move?

i think that the CR all-in maximizes the amount you can win here. Top and bottom pair is a very vulnerable hand - someone with top pair NK has a lot more outs thank you think and you really don't want to let them draw on you cheap (or someone with a threeflush, possible straight, etc).

lemonPeel · #15 10-17-2005, 06:32 PM

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The only two options I felt I could of taken to try and double up was the one I did take, or just pushing all in on the flop after he made a 2/3 of the pot bet.

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Why do you feel that check-raising the flop all-in was not a good move?

i think that the CR all-in maximizes the amount you can win here. Top and bottom pair is a very vulnerable hand - someone with top pair NK has a lot more outs thank you think and you really don't want to let them draw on you cheap (or someone with a threeflush, possible straight, etc).

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The more I think about this hand, the more I like how you would have played it. thanks, I'm going to tuck this into my memory for future reference about top and bottom pair. I really like pushing the flop now after reading all the suggestions and comments.